White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

I don't do Ultimate and probably never will, but it shouldn't be unsyncable. It should be ilevel locked forever. The whole point of having Ultimate is for the people that want a challenge. It wouldn't make sense to ease something that exists solely to be hard. And it would make even less sense to just hand out the rewards from it to anybody.

I don't care about getting White Ravens at all, but clearly some people who have them are bothered by it. I don't see the point in intentionally disrespecting those people. I think SE made a mistake in their choice of rewards for this event.

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The issue about keeping it synced is that when they make jobs change from exp to exp it can kill job balance at an old cap and lets be honest no one is going to be going back to these fight 2 expansions from now.

I mean anyone can have Ultimate rewards for $$$ and SE doesnt care.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

The whole point of having Ultimate is for the people that want a challenge. It wouldn't make sense to ease something that exists solely to be hard. And it would make even less sense to just hand out the rewards from it to anybody.

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Ironically like ultimate the whole point of "The Raven, Nevermore" which is the fight in which players got those earrings was solely for players who wanted to challenge themselves at the end of 1.23. It existed solely to be hard. Which is why people say they shouldn't just hand out the reward to anybody.

To take it further the same could be said for savages and extreme trials. After all Those modes exist solely to be hard.so where's the sense in making them easier or unsyncable or making the rewards easier to get? They exist only to be hard.

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

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Rest assured, the evidence I have has been sent to the appropriate parties both inside and outside of the game. Since screenshots and videos are not counted as official evidence as they can be edited, there's little point in leaning on them. The meaningful evidence is compiling detailed reports that include the names of suspicious players as well as the times and dates of specific incidents.

I'd be happy to discuss the matter to a degree over Discord if you really wish to do that - but it is very easy for an investigation to be thwarted and so I am leaving it in the hands of the appropriate authorities.

Now, this particular thread has long since gone off the rails...but it's likely better if we return to the original talking point which is the earrings.

I'm happy to continue the discussion over Discord, though if you want to do that.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

I don't do Ultimate and probably never will, but it shouldn't be unsyncable. It should be ilevel locked forever. The whole point of having Ultimate is for the people that want a challenge. It wouldn't make sense to ease something that exists solely to be hard. And it would make even less sense to just hand out the rewards from it to anybody.

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While that would be nice, any job changes made between 4.0 and 5.0 could potentially have detrimental effects on the respective performances in the content. For example, DRG, when synced down below level 60, can no longer keep BotD up naturally through their rotation—they have to actively hit the buff key at certain points. While not game breaking, it can mess with the flow. Plus, some jobs have been neutered pre-60 (and even pre-70 — e.g., MCH), that if similar changes and more skill pruning were made, they would have but a skeleton of a rotation (again, MCH is a prime example of this).

I would not be surprised if they allow for Ultimate to be unsynced in 5.0, and I honestly expect that to be the case. Though, I still think it would be nice to take the content and rebalance it for level 80, I’m not going to expect it. As long as I get my clears prior to 5.0, what they do will have little to no effect on me short of thinking “it’s sad to think of what the content used to be like”. Though, it’s still challenging enough that, even at level 80, people who have no idea what they’re doing won’t get very far.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

While that would be nice, any job changes made between 4.0 and 5.0 could potentially have detrimental effects on the respective performances in the content.

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A really good example is Coil Turn 10. There is a mechanic where you MUST shield 2 people at the same time. Back then you could do that with Stoneskin. But neither WHM nor Diurnal AST have access to shields on level 50 anymore...

The way I see it, exclusivity in a game is really dumb. It's just pixels - it has no actual value. The value you're supposed to get from the game is if you enjoyed <insert content>. In this case, these White Raven Earrings - nothing is detracting from the sentimental value you might have garnered from receiving them if you had played 1.0 and earned them. However, they are still just pixels that can poof at any moment along with the game. Husband argues as long as it has game play value, then it shouldn't be just given out (in which these earrings offer none - just as ultimate won't come the next expansion and SB instances become enabled for unsync).

Still loving how people keeping saying it doesn't matter for various unimportant reasons when the following question is all that matters.

Why do people who have not done the content, receive the reward from that content???

In the end any person would say that they don't deserve it, in this case people who have not done the hardest boss fight in 1.x do not deserve the earrings. Period

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Originally Posted by Aviars

Still loving how people keeping saying it doesn't matter for various unimportant reasons when the following question is all that matters.

Why do people who have not done the content, receive the reward from that content???

In the end any person would say that they don't deserve it, in this case people who have not done the hardest boss fight in 1.x do not deserve the earrings. Period

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You can repeat this ad nauseum, but unfortunately for you the authority on who deserves what in this game disagrees.

Nael wasn't removed from the game for very long. Nael was added as a fight back in ARR and was roughly the same in terms of difficult as the 1.0 fight.

So I'm not really sure why there's this weird push to act like players don't deserve the earrings when anyone who has played this game for any length of time has very likely beat numerous bosses that were equal to or harder than Nael's 1.0 battle.

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

The way I see it, exclusivity in a game is really dumb. It's just pixels - it has no actual value. The value you're supposed to get from the game is if you enjoyed <insert content>. In this case, these White Raven Earrings - nothing is detracting from the sentimental value you might have garnered from receiving them if you had played 1.0 and earned them. However, they are still just pixels that can poof at any moment along with the game. Husband argues as long as it has game play value, then it shouldn't be just given out (in which these earrings offer none - just as ultimate won't come the next expansion and SB instances become enabled for unsync).

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Yet if they are just pixels and have no value, why would anyone care if they were unobtainable? This argument comes up way too many times. They obviously hold value, it's being purposefully misleading.

We could all unknowingly be wiped out within the hour by a space-born object. Does that somehow detract from the Iron Ring's meaning before then? It is just a piece of metal after all? No, it doesn't.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Nael wasn't removed from the game for very long. Nael was added as a fight back in ARR and was roughly the same in terms of difficult as the 1.0 fight.

So I'm not really sure why there's this weird push to act like players don't deserve the earrings when anyone who has played this game for any length of time has very likely beat numerous bosses that were equal to or harder than Nael's 1.0 battle.

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You tell us. Why does anyone that wasn't there desperately need someone else's exclusive-to-that-time memento? You didn't like the game at that time so didn't play to get it yourself? Get over it and deal with your Green Envy NM. Why do you or anyone else keep giving disingenuous developers a free pass?

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Originally Posted by Tiraelina

You tell us. Why does anyone that wasn't there desperately need someone else's exclusive-to-that-time memento? You didn't like the game at that time so didn't play to get it yourself? Get over it and deal with your Green Envy NM. Why do you or anyone else keep giving disingenuous developers a free pass?

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Nobody 'desperately' needs it. It's just a neat thing to add to the game now that the original players who had the items in question gathering dust have had five years of exclusivity. Those who feel as if it is a bitter betrayal are free to leave the game - though they don't appear to be willing to put their money where their mouths are.

Making it out as if the developers are the bad guys is dishonest, too. Everybody agreed to the Terms of Service that specifically state that the game can and will change on a whim.

If they're going to give out items that they previously said wouldn't be obtainable they should start with things people have actually asked for. Like why not have a vendor that sells dated gear?

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

If they're going to give out items that they previously said wouldn't be obtainable they should start with things people have actually asked for. Like why not have a vendor that sells dated gear?

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It's possible that they're testing the waters.

WoW brought a lot of highly sought after items back using a special auction house if I recall correctly. Something like that being implemented in FFXIV would be pretty neat...especially since we're in need of more gil sinks.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Nobody 'desperately' needs it. It's just a neat thing to add to the game now that the original players who had the items in question gathering dust have had five years of exclusivity. Those who feel as if it is a bitter betrayal are free to leave the game - though they don't appear to be willing to put their money where their mouths are.

Making it out as if the developers are the bad guys is dishonest, too. Everybody agreed to the Terms of Service that specifically state that the game can and will change on a whim.

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It's age or how many are left using it is irrelevant. They already did put their money where their mouth was, by getting it in 1.0. The ToS isn't the get out of jail free card you've been trying to make it out as either. It's not going to protect your credibility if you refuse to be accountable to your statements.

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Originally Posted by Tiraelina

It's age or how many are left using it is irrelevant. They already did put their money where their mouth was, by getting it in 1.0. The ToS isn't the get out of jail free card you've been trying to make it out as either. It's not going to protect your credibility if you refuse to be accountable to your statements.

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It's not irrelevant. The Terms of Conditions state clearly that the game can and will change at the whim of the developers. Clearing a specific fight five years ago really isn't some sort of amazing feat. Quite a few 1.0 players have popped up in this very thread to state that they don't mind the items being added. So it's not as if there's a specific consensus on the matter.

The entire thing is being blown out of proportion. It was a minor feat in a game that had to be shut down and relaunched. Nowadays, the current game is what is most important - and it's time for older players to pass the torch to the next generation.

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Originally Posted by Tiraelina

Yet if they are just pixels and have no value, why would anyone care if they were unobtainable? This argument comes up way too many times. They obviously hold value, it's being purposefully misleading.

We could all unknowingly be wiped out within the hour by a space-born object. Does that somehow detract from the Iron Ring's meaning before then? It is just a piece of metal after all? No, it doesn't.

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I don't care if they are unobtainable. They are literally code in a virtual world and have no value in the real world. This is a fact. You're comparing a real life status symbol to something that is fiction. Real world things are given vanity value because of monetary representation (which people can and do disagree on). However, again, this is line of code that can be replicated endlessly.

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Originally Posted by Tiraelina

It's age or how many are left using it is irrelevant. They already did put their money where their mouth was, by getting it in 1.0. The ToS isn't the get out of jail free card you've been trying to make it out as either. It's not going to protect your credibility if you refuse to be accountable to your statements.

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Let us not forget 1.0 had a pretty steep demand on a PC to be able to play it and is one of many elephants in this room of a topic. Also, seeing Bayohne's statement, they said the White Ravens would not be obtained in A Realm Reborn. That's cool - they kept their word as it's now Stormblood (inb4 nit-picking argument; didn't say 'Final Fantasy XIV' but a specific expansion of said game). To put it in another scenario, they could re-release the same item with a different name. They'd still be keeping their word, as well.

However, again, I feed back into my statement:
The earrings have no actual value. The value comes from what you feel is there due to sentimental value. People want 'badges' and 'notches on their belt' to show off.

Let me ask you something else:
Are you upset Hildibrand and Good King Moggle Mog are content that is replicated in ARR? Why or why not? Shouldn't they also have this same exclusivity standard? Are you only placing items on a pedestal? What if SE added Riven Road and added Nael as an echo fight and gave the earrings that way? Would you be just as upset?

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Originally Posted by Tiraelina

You tell us. Why does anyone that wasn't there desperately need someone else's exclusive-to-that-time memento? You didn't like the game at that time so didn't play to get it yourself? Get over it and deal with your Green Envy NM. Why do you or anyone else keep giving disingenuous developers a free pass?

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That's a poor argument and you know it. It doesn't matter if someone did or didn't like 1.0 at the time, some people couldn't afford to pay the subscription fee for 1.0, some didn't know XIV existed. It could be a plethora of reasons. Stop making baseless assumptions to back up a selfish "screw you, got mine" mentality that doesn't need to exist with a pair of virtual earrings. This is all incredibly petty.

In a week or two, this topic will be dead and forgotten and everyone would have gotten over this. Just like the Moogle suit, veteran glamours, hellpups, and any other thing that was made no longer exclusive.

We should know by now that things change.

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

In a week or two, this topic will be dead and forgotten and everyone would have gotten over this. Just like the Moogle suit, veteran glamours, hellpups, and any other thing that was made no longer exclusive.

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Well, one can hope anyways.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

You can repeat this ad nauseum, but unfortunately for you the authority on who deserves what in this game disagrees.

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Another example of people not answering the question haha.

People like you can parrot the ToS or keep saying SE can do whatever it wants but at the end of the day we are offering actual opinions to the problem. You guys act like the community can't have a opinion because what SE says is final.

So I guess 24 man loot rules should/should've stayed the way they were despite people heavily disliking it?

I can name other things that the community vehemently disliked and voiced opinions and I highly doubt you and your kind would come in parroting the ToS, or maybe u would, idk. Please offer a real argument, thanks

A special auction house like ffix would get my attention.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's not irrelevant. The Terms of Conditions state clearly that the game can and will change at the whim of the developers. Clearing a specific fight five years ago really isn't some sort of amazing feat. Quite a few 1.0 players have popped up in this very thread to state that they don't mind the items being added. So it's not as if there's a specific consensus on the matter.

The entire thing is being blown out of proportion. It was a minor feat in a game that had to be shut down and relaunched. Nowadays, the current game is what is most important - and it's time for older players to pass the torch to the next generation.

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Minor feat my foot. It was the hardest fight in that game at that time, consider it that version's Ultimate fight, taking into account the battle arena was multi-story, you had to use a crafted item to survive his first attack, farm the mats to make it first and gods forbid, read the battle log to see what move was coming next, because no telegraphs to show area of effect on attacks, no dodging boundaries lit up like what we have with ARR and beyond. I love how ppl who never experienced 1.0, it's battle system (and as that evolved), the server latency (all the servers were in Japan at the time) and the different play styles due to how the jobs were designed decree that anything back then wasn't hard. Oh and back then, you had more than one skill chain combo to choose from depending on the circumstances. Oh pass the torch? Go stuff yourself with your self importance, we are still playing. Are you telling us now that we shouldn't be? Ok that is just cheeky as all hell. What we have to say on any side of the argument, no matter what it is, doesn't carry any weight, because we're older players? Best learn some manners little boy.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

Still loving how people keeping saying it doesn't matter for various unimportant reasons when the following question is all that matters.

Why do people who have not done the content, receive the reward from that content???

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SE redacted some information about 1.0 story-wise and otherwise made the fight unavailable in ARR onward. You are literally unable to do the content to get them otherwise, which is just a subverted way of saying 'these items should stay locked to legacy players only despite the many issues that plagued the game that made it completely unplayable for people that would have wanted to.'

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Originally Posted by Aviars

Please offer a real argument, thanks

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

Let me ask you something else:
Are you upset Hildibrand and Good King Moggle Mog are content that is replicated in ARR? Why or why not? Shouldn't they also have this same exclusivity standard? Are you only placing items on a pedestal? What if SE added Riven Road and added Nael as an echo fight and gave the earrings that way? Would you be just as upset?

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

That's a poor argument and you know it. It doesn't matter if someone did or didn't like 1.0 at the time, some people couldn't afford to pay the subscription fee for 1.0, some didn't know XIV existed. It could be a plethora of reasons. Stop making baseless assumptions to back up a selfish "screw you, got mine" mentality that doesn't need to exist with a pair of virtual earrings. This is all incredibly petty.

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It was free for a whole year. Those who left either couldn't afford it, or didn't want to pay for the game in that stage of repair and were just playing because it was free. I remember players then saying one or the other.

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Originally Posted by Yoruichi4478

It was free for a whole year. Those who left either couldn't afford it, or didn't want to pay for the game in that stage of repair and were just playing because it was free. I remember players then saying one or the other.

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Either way, it's an item from five years ago. It's a very petty thing to hold a grudge over and I'm shocked at people in this community who are clinging to a pair of earrings that you can barely see on your ears unless you're always zoomed in up close. Most people aren't always playing this game with their cameras zoomed all of the way in. Earrings are awful on Miqo'te.

That's also not to mention, that most people barely notice the accessories you're wearing to begin with and only check for the ilvl's or stats to make sure that you're not a lvl 40 healer with lvl 1 earrings of strength because they wanted to be a "battle cleric" inside of a dungeon.

Yoruichi, why is it important to you that others don't have a chance to get the earrings?

Maybe it is a difference in personalities, but I can't wrap my mind around why someone would not want someone else to have what is today a glamour item. I understand that it was not a glamour item then. Today it is. I understand there is as story behind it, but I'm still not seeing why it is important to keep it out of the hands of others. I'm not asking about SE's policy. How does this affect you?

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's not irrelevant. The Terms of Conditions state clearly that the game can and will change at the whim of the developers. Clearing a specific fight five years ago really isn't some sort of amazing feat. Quite a few 1.0 players have popped up in this very thread to state that they don't mind the items being added. So it's not as if there's a specific consensus on the matter.

The entire thing is being blown out of proportion. It was a minor feat in a game that had to be shut down and relaunched. Nowadays, the current game is what is most important - and it's time for older players to pass the torch to the next generation.

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Yes, and its especially irrelevant to your excuse using the ToS. Does that somehow invalidate everyone else now because a handful spoke up? You're going to call it the torch, after calling it a minor feat? Really now? You're dancing between it being nothing and significant at the same time. It either means something or it doesn't, you can't have both. It's amazing how valiant someone can act over getting someones digital memento from a time they chose not to participate in or didn't even know about. Games get shut down after being written off as a failure and relaunch all the time, right? No, they generally stay dead.

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

I don't care if they are unobtainable. They are literally code in a virtual world and have no value in the real world. This is a fact. You're comparing a real life status symbol to something that is fiction. Real world things are given vanity value because of monetary representation (which people can and do disagree on). However, again, this is line of code that can be replicated endlessly.

Let us not forget 1.0 had a pretty steep demand on a PC to be able to play it and is one of many elephants in this room of a topic. Also, seeing Bayohne's statement, they said the White Ravens would not be obtained in A Realm Reborn. That's cool - they kept their word as it's now Stormblood (inb4 nit-picking argument; didn't say 'Final Fantasy XIV' but a specific expansion of said game). To put it in another scenario, they could re-release the same item with a different name. They'd still be keeping their word, as well.

However, again, I feed back into my statement:
The earrings have no actual value. The value comes from what you feel is there due to sentimental value. People want 'badges' and 'notches on their belt' to show off.

Let me ask you something else:
Are you upset Hildibrand and Good King Moggle Mog are content that is replicated in ARR? Why or why not? Shouldn't they also have this same exclusivity standard? Are you only placing items on a pedestal? What if SE added Riven Road and added Nael as an echo fight and gave the earrings that way? Would you be just as upset?

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Yes, they are just code, again, trying to diminish the value of something to somehow make it more acceptable. Why is a piece of iron more more valueable than a piece of code, both made as a memento and reminder? You bring up monetary value, you think XIV accounts don't have that or something? (Don't bother with but the ToS!) They also want those rings back when you die or retire, just so you know.

Those requirements are not nearly as overblown as you are trying to make them either. Seeing how multiple people were complaining it didn't run well trying to run it with everything on high, which renders the internal frame buffer at double resolution, turning your 1080p into 4k, that many years ago. It's good to hear you know that you are nitpicking a statement where the future beyond 2.0 wasn't even known to the public and likely not even internally at that time. A Realm Reborn wasn't an expansion regardless, it was tag line associated with everything post shut down to differentiate it.

Hildibrand and King Mog weren't part of the Seventh Umbral Era content, so? Do I really need to say more than that? Your next question was already answered "never-to-be-repeated drama of the Seventh Umbral Era.". I would love to go into more detail on that last one regarding the event, but I don't feel like getting banned for talking about other sources.

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

That's a poor argument and you know it. It doesn't matter if someone did or didn't like 1.0 at the time, some people couldn't afford to pay the subscription fee for 1.0, some didn't know XIV existed. It could be a plethora of reasons. Stop making baseless assumptions to back up a selfish "screw you, got mine" mentality that doesn't need to exist with a pair of virtual earrings. This is all incredibly petty.

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If they didn't like it, why do they care about something from it very directly aimed towards those that did? This goes right back to not knowing it existed.
If they couldn't afford it, it wasn't significant enough to allocate or earn money for it.
If they didn't know it existed, why is this a point again?

You're welcome to show me where this missing timeline is that I took my miner to go get them, because that is a baseless assumption. Being selfish is fighting this hard for something you missed out on because someone else didn't.

Yes, I do see your other post trying to diminish what they are. As if it makes it more acceptable. It doesn't work that way.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

Yoruichi, why is it important to you that others don't have a chance to get the earrings?

Maybe it is a difference in personalities, but I can't wrap my mind around why someone would not want someone else to have what is today a glamour item. I understand that it was not a glamour item then. Today it is. I understand there is as story behind it, but I'm still not seeing why it is important to keep it out of the hands of others. I'm not asking about SE's policy. How does this affect you?

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I'm not Yoruichi but let me ask you, if they gave away Season 1 Feast trophies, would you be okay with that? You might not care for PvP and not feel strongly, but simply consider the idea of it, at the very least.
Now it's the same mentality for the White Ravens. There's some things that are earned and awarded. They shouldn't be just handed out like candy.

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Originally Posted by Tiraelina

If they didn't like it, why do they care about something from it very directly aimed towards those that did? This goes right back to not knowing it existed.
If they couldn't afford it, it wasn't significant enough to allocate or earn money for it.
If they didn't know it existed, why is this a point again?

You're welcome to show me where this missing timeline is that I took my miner to go get them, because that is a baseless assumption. Being selfish is fighting this hard for something you missed out on because someone else didn't.

Yes, I do see your other post trying to diminish what they are. As if it makes it more acceptable. It doesn't work that way.

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Alright, why do you care so vehemently about other people having access towards an item that is suppose to mark the 5th anniversary of XIV, a game that you seem to enjoy playing just as much as those other people, an attempt to broaden the horizons of other players and give them an inkling to what happened in 1.0 when so many barely know you exist? Do you enjoy being ghosts of past? Because, that's very much what you are right now.

For someone who screams and clings towards having something to hold as recognition over others, you sure seem to like being in the back of the closet instead of in front. No one is giving or taking away your recognition because frankly, no one knew you existed in the first place. Now, people know you exist because of the earrings being brought back again.

I'm not diminishing what they are to you personally, you can have and keep the memories. That's fine, they're yours to keep. No one is taking away your sentimental value here. I'm diminishing a digital item that you're trying to keep away from other people simply because you think that they don't deserve it due to personal bias.

That's being selfish.

If your sole reason for no one else having the earrings is along the lines of "they don't deserve them because they weren't there", well then, by that logic, no one deserves anything that you own because they weren't simply there.

It doesn't work that way either as much as you hope it will.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

Yoruichi, why is it important to you that others don't have a chance to get the earrings?

Maybe it is a difference in personalities, but I can't wrap my mind around why someone would not want someone else to have what is today a glamour item. I understand that it was not a glamour item then. Today it is. I understand there is as story behind it, but I'm still not seeing why it is important to keep it out of the hands of others. I'm not asking about SE's policy. How does this affect you?

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They got the same chance we 1.0ers did, it was called 1.0. I would've been fine with it saying "replica", while keeping my hard earned trophy intact as we never got a title for clearing it. I'd be fine if they in a hotfix, added a title to valid account holders. I know many 1.0ers who never got the chance to clear for many reasons, I know one specifically who was promised help after others got done and got shafted. She feels that just handing this earring out like this cheapens it for her. She doesn't want them, she never cleared the fight (it was near impossible to find ppl), I just got lucky, and we were both playing from start to finish. I tried to get her cleared, but another 1.0 fun fact, sometimes if you clicked on things, you got stuck attached to it for a while until the game booted you out, and that happened to me when I clicked on the instance entrance after getting enough ppl (only time I found enough for a full raid). By the time the game booted me out after I'd gotten stuck on the entrance click, the ppl I'd gathered to help my sister attempt her Rivenroad (HM) clear couldn't stay around anymore, and I wasn't able to get help for her again. In those days, before anyone does ask, you had to go to the entrance of instances to enter them. Duty Finder didn't exist then. If they knew about it and chose not to play it, it's on them. If they didn't know about it, well, that's on SE for not doing proper advertising. Also the fight was in circulation 6 years ago. They were either too busy to come up with new rewards, or too lazy.

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

In a week or two, this topic will be dead and forgotten and everyone would have gotten over this. Just like the Moogle suit, veteran glamours, hellpups, and any other thing that was made no longer exclusive.

We should know by now that things change.

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SE will either change it out for a Replica version, or they won't.
People are arguing their case now and once the event hits there's no going back. So yes the topic will absolutely die off soon, but that doesn't mean people will be happy about it.

Players voice their concerns all the time. This one happens to just have a fast approaching deadline.

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Originally Posted by Wyvernheart

A special auction house like ffix would get my attention.

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So like the Black Market Auction House in WoW? It was a good idea for a gold sink, but people could grind gold so easily it made the idea worthless. It actually made RMT more prevalent than it had been in a long time.

"Why farm for a mount when I can pay some slaves in China to get me gold capped and buy it from a shady Pandaran woman?"

Right. Also, FFXI has an Auction House ('AH') too which suffered pretty much the same problem, being used by gilsellers to move their ill-gotten loot (SE tried to control it by instituting taxes on purchases but it just drove players to use player-bazaars on alt 'mule' characters which would congregate around the zone lines outside cities, Rolanberry Fields specifically - this is why FFXIV does not have an AH and bazaars were rolled into retainers, their original function).

So an AH will not add anything more to the game at this point other than bring back the same old problems FFXI had, something I'm sure Yoshi is definitely mindful of. But I digress, as we've gone off topic...

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Originally Posted by Tiraelina

Yes, they are just code, again, trying to diminish the value of something to somehow make it more acceptable. Why is a piece of iron more more valueable than a piece of code, both made as a memento and reminder? You bring up monetary value, you think XIV accounts don't have that or something?

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SE reserves the right to deny you access to their servers and their accounts they allow you to rent on their game. You do not own them, whereas the ring in your example, you own and keep. That is why physical copies of things like games disc are such a major issue (when on the topic of digital downloads). Literally stopped reading there because you cannot differentiate between real value and fabricated value (false scarcity).

Literally, XIV goes poof, your account's value poofs with it. It's not a hard concept.

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

Alright, why do you care so vehemently about other people having access towards an item that is suppose to mark the 5th anniversary of XIV, a game that you seem to enjoy playing just as much as those other people, an attempt to broaden the horizons of other players and give them an inkling to what happened in 1.0 when so many barely know you exist? Do you enjoy being ghosts of past? Because, that's very much what you are right now.

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Well it's not an item marking the anniversary to the people who already have them, or people who played 1.0 and knew about them. If I stumble across them in my armoire in a year or two I'm not going to think "that was the event item made for the rising event!"

People who already have White Ravens are getting fewer rewards from this event. I wouldn't call them selfish, they're already getting the short end of the stick. The Rising should be celebrating the games history and the people who've been with it all along, not kicking them in the pants.

And SE is probably only giving them away because they already go in the armoire so it saves them from having to take the time to make something new, even a replica. It's lazy and bad.

Seeing this thread reach 52 pages of people complaining that someone else gets to share their shiny toys has just conceived me that I need to plan an outfit around these damn earrings.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

Seeing this thread reach 52 pages of people complaining that someone else gets to share their shiny toys has just conceived me that I need to plan an outfit around these damn earrings.

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I'm tempted to do the same just as a gesture akin to pulling my bottom eyelid down and sticking my tongue out. I'd have just otherwise thrown the earrings into my armoire and let those who knew better tout them around 'proudly.' Now I just want to be a thorn in their sides just out of spite.

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Originally Posted by Zephera

If people want their 40+ pages of drama, they'll get their 40+ pages of drama, and it could be about even the most innocuous things

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50+* I'm surprised it went above 10. But I gotta give it to you salty people. This is good read to kill some time at work. So thank you!

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

Well it's not an item marking the anniversary to the people who already have them, or people who played 1.0 and knew about them. If I stumble across them in my armoire in a year or two I'm not going to think "that was the event item made for the rising event!"

People who already have White Ravens are getting fewer rewards from this event. I wouldn't call them selfish, they're already getting the short end of the stick. The Rising should be celebrating the games history and the people who've been with it all along, not kicking them in the pants.

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It is. It's celebrating the players that were a part of 1.0 and the players that have been playing since ARR's rebirth. That is the game's entire history right there. This game is not just about the 1.0 players, it's literally not just about you. It's about all of us. One person alone cannot stand for the entire MMO, the community does and right now the community is nitpicking and being petty against each other over a pair of damn earrings and who should have them and who shouldn't instead of being happy that the game has been around for five years at all.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

Well it's not an item marking the anniversary to the people who already have them, or people who played 1.0 and knew about them. If I stumble across them in my armoire in a year or two I'm not going to think "that was the event item made for the rising event!"

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Actually, people like me who did Coils in 2.X (or even now and actually watched the cut-scenes) would still know the significance of Nael, the White Raven, and his role in bringing the calamity upon Hydaelyn. Its place in The Rising is not lost on those that follow the lore, regardless of being a legacy player or not. However, that completely relies on the person caring about the story to begin with. I would say Sigma-Astra hit the nail squarely on the head.