4.1 - The emptiest patch yet.

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Originally Posted by Avatre

I've kind of refrained from commenting here, but here goes.

While it might not be lots of content, I will wait until AFTER I've seen it to pass judgement, because if the quality is there(which, really, we can't tell until we actually get our hands on it all...) then I think the quantity sacrificed for quality might just make up for it.

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yeah it really depends how much work they put into "quality of life changes" because the thing is, we do need those, we can't just keep releasing content every 2-3 months that gets old and stale after 3 weeks while neglecting other things. For example, did you know chat log errors still exist while crafting? and those exist since 1.0 beta. (has to do when you complete a craft for this modern day of ffxiv)

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Originally Posted by Rufalus

To the people making realistic demands, just want content to last longer - I agree, there's a lot that could be done to extend life.

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> Run content at minimum item level could be encouraged by unique rewards. Drops gear of slightly higher level with dyeing unlocked, maybe an extra materia slot, maybe tokens to save towards something.

> Time Trial mode, gives coffers to be appraised for random loot, higher amount of coffers for faster clear times. Add rare drops unique to each instance like a coral crafting mat at Shisui. Possibly scale all the leveling dungeons to lv70 for fun, scale the enemy HP and power. Good way to earn gil.

> Exploration mode, return to cleared instances to explore for vistas, gathering nodes, sidequests, triple triad opponents, anything number of things that could be added into all those locations that until now have only been used for linear dungeon runs. Less resource heavy to reuse locations more instead of creating new ones every time.

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we need more parallel progression yes, the Dev team clearly can't keep up with the high turn over rate they have with gear being outdated.

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

yeah it really depends how much work they put into "quality of life changes" because the thing is, we do need those, we can't just keep releasing content every 2-3 months that gets old and stale after 3 weeks while neglecting other things.

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I actually wasn't referring to the quality of life changes, I was more meaning the quality of the new raid/raid tiers/dungeon.

I won't argue that many of those QoL items are way past overdue, but they really aren't what the majority of people have had issues with(from what I've read). It's more a lack of new content, which if they sacrificed inputting more content to boost the quality of what they are adding, it might just work out in their favour. But, that will only be determined in a week.

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Originally Posted by Avatre

I actually wasn't referring to the quality of life changes, I was more meaning the quality of the new raid/raid tiers/dungeon.

I won't argue that many of those QoL items are way past overdue, but they really aren't what the majority of people have had issues with(from what I've read). It's more a lack of new content,which if they sacrificed inputting more content to boost the quality of what they are adding, it might just work out in their favour. But, that will only be determined in a week.

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At this point I do not care about "new content" AT ALL! because it is just the same skin swap (same manichics just different order and bigger numbers) I really just want to see the game FIXED, chat log errors, way chat box scrolls when you are trying to look at them, glam log, more inventory issue addressing, housing shortage addressing, outside furnishing update, maybe add in instanced housing. You know the kind on runescape where you actually work on your house to increase the size of it and so on? Addressing how servers feel the need to confirm every single thing where a single packet loss means not mounting, stresses server too much, and likely what SE is blaming why we have no glam log, more currency in currency tab, maybe even getting rid of item management off retainers because that loads the server too much and just give us a bank ?

There is lots of things I like to see for the game to improve on vs seeing "new content" dead in 3 months.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

fluff isnt real content , minion is not content , nor is a song, content is something that you can actually actively engage in which this patch is basicly pretty thin, the skye isnt falling of course , but once raiders get rekted by ultimate. And people have shiryu on farm, and you do your weekly 24 man you are pretty much gona go right back to what your doing in game now. This patch doesnt change anything for me at all just add two new things to farm now thats about it a once a week 24 man, and shiryu.

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A whole brandnew music system? It is content; very nice content, in fact, as we'll be hearing music from other players in towns. Not all content is about dungeons. There are many ways to play this game, and SE is trying to use its resources for adding different things for different people. Them adding 2 dungeons or just 1 doesn't change anything for me either, as I'll be doing a single roulette everyday and I never care which dungeon I get.

Also, the new PVP mode seems the most elaborated mode so far. And most importantly, it looks like a lot of fun! I'm quite eager to try it.

PS: I'll also be spending an insane amount of time swimming in the new housing areas -laughs-.

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

At this point I do not care about "new content" AT ALL! I really just want to see the game FIXED

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They been doing a lot of QoL this year which I appreciate. Some of the stuff that is still missing is because it's just really hard to do and I think they would get more complaints for prioritising a glamor log over new content. It might happen eventually but most players wouldn't want content production slowed down to fast-track it.

Inventory was intended to be expanded further, sooner, but they had server instability problems in the SB window. I won't dig for a quote but I think it was mentioned that patch 4.2 will be the new target for inv increase.

Actually the new mobile app is pencilled for around that time, early 2018. They've been slowly working on that thing for years.... Will be big for QoL, especially issuing commands to retainers when not logged into the game, from the app.

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

At this point I do not care about "new content" AT ALL.

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Which is all well and good, but not everyone is the same. Some will care more about the new content, others the QoL, others Shirogane Savage(not really new content, just new rush to buy up all the land).

Again, I said I'm waiting to pass judgement on the patch until I get to experience EVERYTHING they implement. New content, QoL, EVERYTHING.

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Originally Posted by Istaru

Just for clarity:
3.0 release: 19Jun15
3.15 release: 15Dec15
Time elapsed: 179 days (6 months)

I am going to give you credit on part of what you wrote. I think we will not get SB relics until we are close to the 8 month mark from SB launch (early February).

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ah you are right, 6 months I knew it was somewhere around. that bein said I think we might get patch on january with February been max so we got HW relic 6 month after release and we will get SB relic just about the same time but better.

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Originally Posted by Rufalus

They been doing a lot of QoL this year which I appreciate. Some of the stuff that is still missing is because it's just really hard to do and I think they would get more complaints for prioritising a glamor log over new content. It might happen eventually but most players wouldn't want content production slowed down to fast-track it.Inventory was intended to be expanded further, sooner, but they had server instability problems in the SB window. I won't dig for a quote but I think it was mentioned that patch 4.2 will be the new target for inv increase.

Actually the new mobile app is pencilled for around that time, early 2018. They've been slowly working on that thing for years.... Will be big for QoL, especially issuing commands to retainers when not logged into the game, from the app.

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With the inventory issues this game has? I disagree with that, but we will never know since posters here are the minority. I personally do not understand " more content " "more content " "we do not need glam log" then have no room for all the different items from this "new content"

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Originally Posted by Avatre

Which is all well and good, but not everyone is the same. Some will care more about the new content, others the QoL, others Shirogane Savage(not really new content, just new rush to buy up all the land).

Again, I said I'm waiting to pass judgement on the patch until I get to experience EVERYTHING they implement. New content, QoL, EVERYTHING.

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ya same -/ we had the same point, lol. job balancing is important and shouldn't be pushed aside because "feels empty"

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Originally Posted by Rufalus

> Time Trial mode, gives coffers to be appraised for random loot, higher amount of coffers for faster clear times. Add rare drops unique to each instance like a coral crafting mat at Shisui. Possibly scale all the leveling dungeons to lv70 for fun, scale the enemy HP and power. Good way to earn gil.

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This alone would make the waiting time more bearable AND revitalize all those dead dungeons...because why would you re-run sastasha, if it's not roulette?

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Originally Posted by missybee

Unfortunately, as far as I know, we are having to wait on PVP with Gundams until 4.15 or something along those lines.

That one was excluded from my October 10 list by design.

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You probably shouldn't view the patches like that. The patch structure is also laid out that way by design. Just like raids being even patches and 24man being odd patches, PVP content (and I think crafting/gathering content) is always placed in the .X5 patches in order to allow those that do PVP to enjoy PVE content first before diving into the PVP mode. It hasn't been delayed, and it is part of the 4.1 patch.

I will admit that if you do view the patch the way you are then it may look sparse, but SE has decided to space the content out over the course of the patch in order to generate a constant stream of palatable content rather than big patches with gaps in the middle. If you look at the patch as a whole, rather than picking just the first wave of content you will see that there is actually enough content and a good variety of content for different players.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

You probably shouldn't view the patches like that.

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As far as I know, the intention was for all of these things to be released with 4.1, Eureka included.

I was always under the impression that the in-between patches were for hot-fixes and other small additions (such as crafting things, etc), but I guess this is sort of the way things are going now.

Honestly idk what people want from this game, I mean on one hand they could've made the base difficulty of the game higher so content requires more thought than AoE spam and basic rotations but no one wants that so the only alternative people could be asking for is more endgame content which they simply can't churn out to everyone's standard. They could do a WoW and bring patches out every year or a half but people won't wait that long so really what can they do about it?

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Originally Posted by missybee

As far as I know, the intention was for all of these things to be released with 4.1, Eureka included.

I was always under the impression that the in-between patches were for hot-fixes and other small additions (such as crafting things, etc), but I guess this is sort of the way things are going now.

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Well all I know is that since feast launched in 3.21, the seasons have been from .X5 patch to .X5 patch, and additions such as the new map have coincided with the end of a season.

We do know that the devs are pushing for more content in the .X5 patches however based on latter end of 3.X (3.45 and 3.55 being small patches in their own right)

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Originally Posted by MyaValentine

ah you are right, 6 months I knew it was somewhere around. that bein said I think we might get patch on january with February been max so we got HW relic 6 month after release and we will get SB relic just about the same time but better.

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I won't lie, Eureka was the thing I wanted most out of 4.1. In about 1 month I will be Omni 70 on my main and my alt. At that point we would be close to 4.15 and that would give me a new large project to work on.

I'll get to spend some time on some single player games so it isn't the end of the world. Am I disappointed? Yes. However, I am done with caring that much.

We will get the SB relic later than we did in HW. But better? Given their track record with Diadem and Diadem 2.0, I fear we may be disappointed but I will keep a shred of hope with me that it is better than grinding FATEs.

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Originally Posted by Istaru

We will get the SB relic later than we did in HW. But better? Given their track record with Diadem and Diadem 2.0, I fear we may be disappointed but I will keep a shred of hope with me that it is better than grinding FATEs.

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I'd say that regardless of Eureka, the weapon itself is better in 4.2, as if it releases in 4.15 it is immediately invalidated by easier options from lost allagan nerfs, hunts, and the 24 man raid (potentially)

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

With the inventory issues this game has?

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Oh you meant things like mogstation glamor taking up inv slots that you can never get back without tossing it and losing the item forever? Yeah I've actually discarded a few premium items to make room.

I always lose a lot of slots to 'current' gear that I'm waiting to be able to desynth or exchange for GC seals. They make us wait 2 major patches for items to be convertible, so 6 to 8 months waiting to be able to exchange things like Verity gear instead of throwing it away. Wish that lockout would have its time reduced.

As for glamor log, maybe as a compromise they could start small with only certain items included in the log. At a minimum, all the mogstation items would be changed to this system. You receive the mogstation clothing in the mail and 'use' it like you would a mount whistle or minion. The item is consumed and added to glamor log, no longer requires inventory storage.

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Originally Posted by Istaru

I won't lie, Eureka was the thing I wanted most out of 4.1. In about 1 month I will be Omni 70 on my main and my alt. At that point we would be close to 4.15 and that would give me a new large project to work on.

I'll get to spend some time on some single player games so it isn't the end of the world. Am I disappointed? Yes. However, I am done with caring that much.

We will get the SB relic later than we did in HW. But better? Given their track record with Diadem and Diadem 2.0, I fear we may be disappointed but I will keep a shred of hope with me that it is better than grinding FATEs.

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the simple fact that we are getting an entire zone dedicate to the relic itself it's automatically better than anything they have ever done with the relic as in there's more dedication and effort than -run x old content 30000 to get light- there's more effort put into it and whatever it's that it brings lets be optimistic and hope is fun and enjoyable.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

I'd say that regardless of Eureka, the weapon itself is better in 4.2, as if it releases in 4.15 it is immediately invalidated by easier options from lost allagan nerfs, hunts, and the 24 man raid (potentially)

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Meh, I quit raiding when my bf got bored of it. I stopped caring about BiS at the same time since I don't "need" it anymore. Say whatever you want, but I'm going to spend my time with him over raiding. He is more important to me.

The relic is something I can do with him while we have some fun killing time. They become shared goals that we work on together. That is why it matters to me.

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Originally Posted by Istaru

Meh, I quit raiding when my bf got bored of it. I stopped caring about BiS at the same time since I don't "need" it anymore. Say whatever you want, but I'm going to spend my time with him over raiding. He is more important to me.

The relic is something I can do with him while we have some fun killing time. They become shared goals that we work on together. That is why it matters to me.

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That is your preference, but when it comes to content design my point still stands

Can’t wait to do Shinryu EX! I loved the original fight so I’m excited to see what the extreme mode has in store! :)

I said this in another thread, but the delay in Eureka likely also means the iLVL steps are going to be different, and we may even skip a "step" in the long run from missing a cycle.

But, that's blind speculation.

For all we know it may be similar to Diadem 1.0 and we do activities for Pink drops that having additional quests added to get progressively beefier options, that we can like, meld or something.

Why keep playing a game that doesn't give you what you want? Many here have outlined that they have constantly and consistently been let down with how the development team has prioritized/ implemented their content. If there's any truth to theses claims, why continue to give money for an experience you don't want?

Plenty of people like/ love this game as it is and where it's going, and i may only be speaking for myself, even when i disagree with certain aspects (Samurai dps, two dps as new jobs, Diadem, LoV, ect), it's still an FF game. That's what keeps me here, it's what kept me here since 1.0. Final Fantasy is not like WoW, GW2, Tera Online, SWTOR, Blade&Soul, Black Desert, ect... There's a reason why i tried those games and only stayed with FFXIV.

What reason is there to stay where what you want is never on the menu?

TLDR: The door is over there.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

Why keep playing a game that doesn't give you what you want?

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I personally feel invested in XIV having been here from 1.0, and I would like to see the game continue to succeed rather than stagnate.

I'd also argue that brand loyalty isn't really good justification, but to each their own.

I don't think people should be told to leave as a result of voicing dissatisfaction. If anything, it means they still care.




...I also don't want to lose my house.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

That is your preference, but when it comes to content design my point still stands

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Not sure what the need for this post is. I did not disagree with your point.

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Originally Posted by Istaru

Not sure what the need for this post is. I did not disagree with your point.

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Your post came across to me as a counter argument saying that ilvl doesn't matter because you do it for fun. If you arent disagreeing with my point then great, but the general attitude in this thread has left me a bit jaded when it comes to counter points.

Nevertheless, I apologise if I came across badly.

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Originally Posted by missybee

I personally feel invested in XIV having been here from 1.0, and I would like to see the game continue to succeed rather than stagnate.

I'd also argue that brand loyalty isn't really good justification, but to each their own.

I don't think people should be told to leave as a result of voicing dissatisfaction. If anything, it means they still care.




...I also don't want to lose my house.

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I undesrtand this sentiment perfectly back in 3.4 I could not play this game anymore I had multiple jobs lvl 60 did about most of the things there was to do, but playing since relase I got burned out to the point that I felt the game was not apealing anymore yet there was many other who still enjoyed every content they kept putting out. I took a break of more than 200+days played ff15 and many other games meanwhile. Came back a week before stormblood and the game felt AMAZING just about everything I enjoyed back again as I missed it. even stuff that I hate before I love now.

telling people to take a break is not a bad thing if someone comes back or not that just show how much they really cared for this game, if you truly love it you will come back and it's a healthy thing to do there's so much of the same thing you can eat before it becomes stale. even Yoshi-P himself recommended people to take a break, and as far as I know they said their formula was going to be the same going forward into SB but adding new things so asking them to change anything is not going to work. if you are burned out take a break.

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Originally Posted by missybee

I personally feel invested in XIV having been here from 1.0, and I would like to see the game continue to succeed rather than stagnate.

I'd also argue that brand loyalty isn't really good justification, but to each their own.

I don't think people should be told to leave as a result of voicing dissatisfaction. If anything, it means they still care.

...I also don't want to lose my house.

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I have the same sentiment here: I started out in 2.0 (I initially wanted to start on 1.0 but I was told to avoid it), loved the game despite its shortcomings but instead of complaining I gave them faith and continued to play, but now seeing that the game is just "recycling" the same content with just a new coat of paint, it feels like the commitment is no longer worth it. The only reason why I post on the forums it's because I still care about the game for now but eventually, I'll even forget my password and stop even bothering coming here: I might have found better games by then.

And about housing, I share your concerns since I used to own a house myself but managed to move on as soon as I got rid of it. The struggle wasn't worth it and I still remember around 3.2 or 3.3 being really frustrated to decide where to play a boring stale game with no content or unsub and move on.

I just wish I kept being unsubbed instead of returning to Stormbore...

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Originally Posted by MyaValentine

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Oh, I am all for people taking a break if they need to. I think they can be really helpful. I guess it's more of the "if you don't like it, quit" attitude that I don't love.

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Originally Posted by Voltyblast

And about housing, I share your concerns since I used to own a house myself but managed to move on as soon as I got rid of it

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I would imagine it is kind of liberating to be free of it…but fake interior design is my kryptonite, apparently.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

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Personally for me it's because this game has a lot of potential but just barely gets there, I still think that the first 1-50 experience i had was the most enjoyable part, with exception to the lame quest lines. I feel it's because dungeons weren't made to be streamlined completely and had a reasonable difficulty curve as you get to higher levels. Then once endgame hit it has stayed the same since they nerfed the original lvl 50 dungeons and pharos and rather than coming up with the odd creative obstacle for us to tackle it recycles the same tired situations and makes them have little consequence or just really simple to do to the point it barely adds anything to the experience. Not asking for coil difficulty here, just to have some content here and there that respects basic critical thinking skills and demands everyone to at least play their jobs properly. I still play casually because I have fun every now and then but the experience could be better.

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Originally Posted by missybee

I personally feel invested in XIV having been here from 1.0, and I would like to see the game continue to succeed rather than stagnate.

I'd also argue that brand loyalty isn't really good justification, but to each their own.

I don't think people should be told to leave as a result of voicing dissatisfaction. If anything, it means they still care.




...I also don't want to lose my house.

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Oh no, it's not brand loyalty that keeps me here. I still enjoy this game immensely. The story, art, races (still waiting on Viera...), jobs animations, music, setting, ect... I may not agree with everything in this game, however in it's entirety, i'm so very proud that i in a very small way, helped to keep this game going in 1.0. My character name isn't in the credits, my real name is. I adore this game more than i can say, having people bashing is something i have gotten used to, if it's not the forums it's lbr (which i still listen to because even when they bash it, they still cover FFXIV news...kinda)

People complain that there is no incentive to do end game, no gear lust, no challenge, ect... My question, What incentive has the player base ever given to the development team to make the challenge for that lust inducing gear? Not enough clear rates shows lack of interest, meaning no need to place resources in content less than 3% of the community is going to do. When people do try end game many often exploit bugs to clear faster... The message? it's not about a challenge, it's about consuming content as fast as possible to complain there isn't a challenge in the end game...

Anyone, everyone can complain about what they want, hell shout it from the roof tops till you pass out... However actions speak louder than words, and the lack of clears is roaring volumes the vocal minority will never reach. However there is no reason to fear, new content is on the way for those that want it, and we know SE will be watching. If there are those that feel lust worthy gear needs to be added to incentivize the player base, could the player base not incentivize the dev team by showing with actions just where the majority wants them to focus of their content?

I feel an Army... of endgame starved players, crushing the content and asking for more would speak volumes louder than yet another complaint thread. I do not feel this game is stagnating, if anything it is gaining popularity (i still see log in ques on my server). I'm not loyal to the game because of it's brand, i'm loyal because even though it's not perfect it still has so very much of what i cannot find in any other mmo, the fact it's an FF title is just icing on the cake.

P.s. I don't even have a house in game, though i do have three active accounts, two of which are legacy.

Hey OP, Here's a suggestion for you.. If you don't like whats been released in the patches. There's a door right over there, use it. No one is forcing you to play, and quite frankly many of us rather enjoy whats been released in the patches. I for one loved the Hildy stuff for HW, it was hilarious.

There is also a easy solution to those people that like to rush through Duty's, assuming, like me, you tend to run as heals or tank. If they try to pull to much, let them kill it. I don't heal dumb tanks or stupid DPS. Nor do I tank for groups that pull mobs for me, You pull it, you kill it.

The OP seems to like to complain, why don't you try to do their job. Its not exactly easy to make the content you know, they have to write the code, implement it which includes graphics and art, storyboarding, concept designs, music, and in some cases, voice acting, then put it all together.

Either play the game, or don't. Honestly most of us don't care.

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Originally Posted by NyteKitsune

Hey OP, Here's a suggestion for you.. If you don't like whats been released in the patches. There's a door right over there, use it..

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While I also disagree with the OP, and a few others in this thread wholeheartedly...and you aren't entirely wrong yourself, this is the attitude that people shouldn't have. No one is ever going to be satisfied 100% of the time. This is a good place to voice one's opinions, regardless of whether we agree or not. Personally, I think the patch is fine. I'm sure a lot of people feel the same. Some do not, obviously. They are free to feel that way, it's just preferable that they have their facts straight...which some do not.

At the end of the day people will find a reason to complain. Wether it's a patch with a single item or a patch with 300 dungeons, 100 raids, 200 new areas, 100,000 new items, 50 new jobs, 9,000 hours of story cs's, Crazy ultra super duper savage Pipin, 900 mounts, your own personal butler and maids, flying pigs, 600 pvp maps and modes, mountains of gold, seas of diamonds, oceans of potatoes, and everything else you will ever want.

When it comes down to it many will still be paying and playing after all the complaints. No patch will ever make everyone happy. Some will hate it, some will quit, some will come back, and others wont care one bit ether way and will go on doing what they want to do.

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Originally Posted by missybee

As far as I know, the intention was for all of these things to be released with 4.1, Eureka included.

I was always under the impression that the in-between patches were for hot-fixes and other small additions (such as crafting things, etc), but I guess this is sort of the way things are going now.

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It's from 2.4 that they started this trend of delaying parts of the patch till later to better spacing out content, also take note that the 2 weeks delay for ultimate are probably in response on a part of prog raiders that would like to have a warm up time to complete story getting gear sorted out before the prog starts.
I know LaylaBell wanted this, personally I don't agree but w/e

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Originally Posted by Alacran

Why keep playing a game that doesn't give you what you want? Many here have outlined that they have constantly and consistently been let down with how the development team has prioritized/ implemented their content. If there's any truth to theses claims, why continue to give money for an experience you don't want?

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Maybe because even if we are disappointed with things we are still not hating a game and want it to run long and successful? Why do people not understand that criticism does not mean that people hate something? I really enjoy FF14 otherwise I would not pay the subscription..but the direction its going is something I dont like. I have a small possibility to change this direction by writing about it in the forum. (Just like us summoners got sustain back thanks to our posts)

Even the devs had once pointed out that criticism is worth more than compliments because it gives them the chance to get better and to not lose people..So with your "door is over there" you are not doing SE a favor..you are even hurting them if people would follow that advise and just simply stop paying..because its a game that needs it money to continue and even those that are not happy with things but are still playing for different reasons are still paying money..

Its just sad that people feel the need to personal attack others..its completely fine if you like the patch and OPs title may be a bit too much but this does not mean that one has to personal attack others..(This is not directed at you but about some of those posts in this thread)

Mya: I am not 100% sure but isnt account sharing against the ToS? I am not sure if you should put that information about this in your sig.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Maybe because even if we are disappointed with things we are still not hating a game and want it to run long and successful?

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Exactly, and while everyone has their personal taste I do feel there are certain content types that were enjoyed as a whole. Like Deep Dungeon, even now people are still doing it(even if majority might be for xp) but it's a piece of content that remains relevant because they implemented it in a smart way.

At the end of the day what people hope to see is content that can last the test of time, that has longevity to it, that isn't made outdated once the next patch comes out.

4.0 into 4.1, Omega remains relevant, 24-Raid provides a source to gear quicker but then you hit 4.2 and start all over again, Omega loses it's appeal along with the 24-man raid cause now the older tome gear can be gained with unlimited tomes. Their current content cycle is awful because they are the ones shooting themselves in the foot with content longevity. They are the ones making the awful choice of saying, let's have 1-2 unique loot in each content and once you obtain it you no longer have a need to run this content. They are the one using Khloe's concept as a way to keep content used but still very much unneeded. Khloe doesn't require you to enter the content under min IL or even in a full part of the appropriate level. It just makes the content needed for that short period of time.

If anything one thing I wish SE would consider is "Difficulty" that limits your IL while adding new reward to old content. Easy(No IL sync), Normal(IL cap for X content), Hard(Min IL for said content) Extreme(-10 IL of recommended content) and Savage(-20 IL of recommended content)

Give people this option to challenge themselves and add loot which encourages them to partake in said challenge. There is nothing wrong if people want the easy brute force IL method of overcoming content but for those who want challenge, give them the option to set their IL and provide rewards based on how much the group challenges themselves.

In regards to Eureka being automatically better, well yes and no. More effort in design but until we actually know what it entails it could be back to fate spamming and killing x amount of targets in this "new" area.
Let's all hope it is in fact something entirely different and no fates and what not are involved at all.

It is no secret that "raiders" actually do Relic as well so having this delay really is bad.

I just personally hated how half of the preview for 4.1 was "this isn't in 4.1 but soon after." Why not just wait another couple of weeks before the patch then? Breaking up the stuff into tiny pieces is just cheating so you can say "We released 3 patches this fall!"

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Originally Posted by NyteKitsune

Hey OP, Here's a suggestion for you.. If you don't like whats been released in the patches. There's a door right over there, use it. No one is forcing you to play, and quite frankly many of us rather enjoy whats been released in

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this reply makes no sense, at all you know its possible to enjoy something and at the sametime be realistic about the flaws that you see. This patch while its not empty , it literally just is gona be a hw repeat with a sb name, which a few miner changes. Many people have said this and I dont think the solution is oh just quit playing. It was the high it was the budget it was the things the devs where sayin that has people upset, one less dungeon for more content well where is that content. If ultimate is lack luster then they boasted for nothing, when the devs say something then they need to deliver its just that simple.

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Originally Posted by Doki

Why not just wait another couple of weeks before the patch then?

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Because people will complain. See the time between 3.0 and 3.1

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Breaking up the stuff into tiny pieces is just cheating so you can say "We released 3 patches this fall!"

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There was always a x.x5 and x.x6 patch between the main patches. Sometimes also a x.x7 patch.