Dedicated Thread for Patch 2.55 Story Discussion/Spoilers

Looks like Y'shtola could use shadow clones back in 1.0

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Originally Posted by VirusChris

@Deli
Where did you get that screenshot?

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It's the main story quest cutscene when you save Thancred from Lahabrea's clutches and purify him with the power of light.

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Originally Posted by KodiHivaer

It's the main story quest cutscene when you save Thancred from Lahabrea's clutches and purify him with the power of light.

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Is that so? It's been a long time since I last seen that so I've forgotten about it. ^_^;

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

Taking any physical action against the Monetarists would be the equivalent of an attack on the lawful leaders of Ul'dah by foreign powers. Even Rhabaun's actions were illegal as he killed a syndicate member without any proof of illegal activity. While the Monetarists may not be popular, the other GC leaders getting involved would be the equivalent from a public viewpoint of foreign powers setting up a leader. Rumors alone would leave that leader in a tenuous position rife for civil unrest as they could easily be painted as a foreign puppet. Do remember as well the public just discovered that the second highest ranking Immortal Flame was a Garlean spy.

More to the point the brass blades and the Crystal Braves were both in the Monetarists pocket with the Immortal Flames only having a token force in Ul'dah. Even if the other GC leaders got involved it would be that handful of people against the entire military power in the city. A civil war would almost certainly be assured. The Brass Blades are the police force of Ul'dah and without them the Immortal Flames would be hard pressed to handle maintaining the peace, even if they could be disbanded. There is no way force in that situation could have ended well and frankly probably would have played even more into the Monetarists hands. The Eorzean Alliance would be as good as dead in the water as at best Ul'dah would likely be crippled.

In the end the only solution is for the truth to come out and that requires proof. In a game of politics, brute force will often end in disaster.

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Again, interference doesn't mean physical action. Just as a point, that there WoL that they throw on the floor in the banquet hall is a Second Storm/Serpent/Flame Lieutenant of one of the three Grand Company leaders in attendance there. There's already a two in three chance that a foreign power has, according to the fit-up, made an act of war againt Ul'dah. Teji certainly wasn't holding back with the accusations, so it comes down to 3 possibilities in my eyes as to why he didn't:

1) writers didn't think of it.
2) too much hastle making a change in dialoge to implicate the corresponding foreign power, or to damn the Flames even more.
3) Teji and the syndicate want to cement their grip on power with as little grief as possible. Having one or either of the other two start a war over it isn't going to sit well with the public as it'll lead to civil war, or the monitarists getting ursuped themselves. I highly doubt that they could ever convince the public that the WoL really did kill the sultanate, so I personally think that galvanizing Ul'dah into one mind against the WoL/other 2 factions is very unlikely.

So, if we take option number three, one of the other two could of said something. There's alot of choice words that could of been said. Even if it was to warn against anything happening to the accused until after a falr trial. That could of bought them and/or others time to enact an escape plan in the near future. Instead, Teji ran his mouth off and we are where we are now.

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Originally Posted by VirusChris

@Deli
Where did you get that screenshot?

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to be more precise, it's "duty > The Praetorium" you won't see this @ the main story line section.
I was looking for these @ main story line initially and no luck...I found something odd @ someone's diary screenshot...

and I can't believe that I defended him a few pages back too >"<
/heartbroken

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Originally Posted by ColdestHeaven

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Originally Posted by Natsuno

Again, interference doesn't mean physical action. Just as a point, that there WoL that they throw on the floor in the banquet hall is a Second Storm/Serpent/Flame Lieutenant of one of the three Grand Company leaders in attendance there. There's already a two in three chance that a foreign power has, according to the fit-up, made an act of war againt Ul'dah. Teji certainly wasn't holding back with the accusations, so it comes down to 3 possibilities in my eyes as to why he didn't:

1) writers didn't think of it.
2) too much hastle making a change in dialoge to implicate the corresponding foreign power, or to damn the Flames even more.
3) Teji and the syndicate want to cement their grip on power with as little grief as possible. Having one or either of the other two start a war over it isn't going to sit well with the public as it'll lead to civil war, or the monitarists getting ursuped themselves. I highly doubt that they could ever convince the public that the WoL really did kill the sultanate, so I personally think that galvanizing Ul'dah into one mind against the WoL/other 2 factions is very unlikely.

So, if we take option number three, one of the other two could of said something. There's alot of choice words that could of been said. Even if it was to warn against anything happening to the accused until after a falr trial. That could of bought them and/or others time to enact an escape plan in the near future. Instead, Teji ran his mouth off and we are where we are now.

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Basically this. It makes me scratch my head when people say "because political ramifications" but fail to consider our own political ties and their ramifications. It kinda makes me disappointed that this is an MMO because if it were a single player game that actually took your choices and affiliations into account this kind of thing could've been a world changer (within Eorzea, not the games industry, mind you) but instead, it's just in this safe bland bubble that doesn't really affect anything.

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Originally Posted by ColdestHeaven

Ok, so, here is my theory... Snip

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To be honest, I also think something is weird with Tataru on her last quest, and I just started to like her more. -____-

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Originally Posted by FrejyaAthenes

Basically this. It makes me scratch my head when people say "because political ramifications" but fail to consider our own political ties and their ramifications. It kinda makes me disappointed that this is an MMO because if it were a single player game that actually took your choices and affiliations into account this kind of thing could've been a world changer (within Eorzea, not the games industry, mind you) but instead, it's just in this safe bland bubble that doesn't really affect anything.

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The GC leaders do effectively support us politically. The Seedseer has publicly announced that Gridania believes the accusations are false.

The point is they couldn't do much right then. If we were about to get executed on the spot sure. However we were quite lawfully being detained for a crime we were accused of. Further, they couldn't help Raubahn because he was commiting a crime. Lolorito was right technically. Adding Raubahn would have been assisting a man guilty of murder of a political figure.

If we had been hauled off to a cell then its likely we would have seen more of their aid. Currently their aid is mainly completely ignoring the accusations against us. As crappy as it is the GC leaders need to maintain a pretence. If the Eorzean alliance crumbled completely, Garlemald would see an easy target. They may hate it but they still need a functioning Ul'dah to hold up its end of the Alliance. Their best option is to bide their time and hope the truth will come out and the situation will turn on the Monetarists.

Its worth noting that politics is working against the Monetarists as much as it is working for them. The Immortal Flames influence has been reduced but the Monetarists can't just remove them. Further, they can't move freely against us without having to tiptoe around treaties and issues of jurisdiction. These are political weapons our allies have actually used in our favour and its the reason we still have so much freedom of movement in Eorzea.

The core issue for us is that sitting still makes us a potential target and setting up shop in Gridania or Limsa would open have major political ramifications for either city. Remember they still need the Eorzean Alliance, even as a pretence. The crystal braves, who have far more freedom of movement, compound the issue further.

I think the Monetarists end game is Omega. I think they just want us out of the way and unable to interfere which we almost certainly would have if they had gone for it while we still had free reign. They would likely have been happy enough to leave us and the scions locked away in cells. I suspect they think that Omega will give them the power to hold of Garlemald and strong arm the other states to do as they want. Do remember we are talking about a weapon designed to take down Bahamut.

OK few musings and points / questions.

Firstly I don't think they would kill off all the scions, if they did they might as well have thrown in an NPC character called Sean Bean or got George R Martin to write that scene!

The Crystal braves comment about "the others" as posted earlier in this mamoth thread points in that direction.

I skipped the last few pages of this but I havn't seen anyone mention anything about Tataru. She was very shifty in cut scenes and also dealt with the scions accounts, I am sure she has something to do some hidden agenda and she could be causing some trouble later on or is that Koji and team trying to make us think that way.

Also as mentioned a few times here I so want to see Raubahn have a gun arm, maybe cid could barrat him one.

Uriange I am on the fence about, is he a double agent for us or was he spying on us for the ascians, forcing us to kill the ascian Nabriales for them as he was damaging their overall plan, also killing moenbryda to as she had developed a weapon which could kill them.

And why did that pedler have a Yorkshire/Lancashire accent? A cross between Fred Dibner and Guy Martin. And why was Pippin so Pipio aye ey posh english aristocrat? crumbs. Theres got to be a whole side story to him rescuing Raubahn and going on a revenge stream, maybe even rescue the other scions that (see above) may be imprissioned?

Theres some good analysis from Mr happy and crew here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjRQ58RqONE

I think Nammy isn't dead because of 1 reason alone. Ilbert didn't want Raubahn to see her because it was quote on quote "Painful to see". Why didn't you just let him see his Sultana he loves so much eh? You wanted to keep him there so you could rile him up into a rage and do something he probably will regret. I think what Nammy drank was a fake death poison. If she was "really dead" Ilbert wouldn't mind letting him pass to see her, or in fact you could have at least bring her to him. I have a strong feeling they are hiding her somewhere because she isn't truly dead.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

The GC leaders do effectively support us politically. The Seedseer has publicly announced that Gridania believes the accusations are false.

The point is they couldn't do much right then. If we were about to get executed on the spot sure. However we were quite lawfully being detained for a crime we were accused of. Further, they couldn't help Raubahn because he was commiting a crime. Lolorito was right technically. Adding Raubahn would have been assisting a man guilty of murder of a political figure.

If we had been hauled off to a cell then its likely we would have seen more of their aid. Currently their aid is mainly completely ignoring the accusations against us. As crappy as it is the GC leaders need to maintain a pretence. If the Eorzean alliance crumbled completely, Garlemald would see an easy target. They may hate it but they still need a functioning Ul'dah to hold up its end of the Alliance. Their best option is to bide their time and hope the truth will come out and the situation will turn on the Monetarists.

Its worth noting that politics is working against the Monetarists as much as it is working for them. The Immortal Flames influence has been reduced but the Monetarists can't just remove them. Further, they can't move freely against us without having to tiptoe around treaties and issues of jurisdiction. These are political weapons our allies have actually used in our favour and its the reason we still have so much freedom of movement in Eorzea.

The core issue for us is that sitting still makes us a potential target and setting up shop in Gridania or Limsa would open have major political ramifications for either city. Remember they still need the Eorzean Alliance, even as a pretence. The crystal braves, who have far more freedom of movement, compound the issue further.

I think the Monetarists end game is Omega. I think they just want us out of the way and unable to interfere which we almost certainly would have if they had gone for it while we still had free reign. They would likely have been happy enough to leave us and the scions locked away in cells. I suspect they think that Omega will give them the power to hold of Garlemald and strong arm the other states to do as they want. Do remember we are talking about a weapon designed to take down Bahamut.

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Problem is we're assuming that the goal of Omega Weapon is to fend of Garlemand. If that were the case then that would make framing the WoL/Scions even dumber, since they're the reason Garlemand was fended off last time. They have a common enemy. If anything all this backdoor sneaking around only hurts their case.

Anyways, yes politics are working somewhat against the Monetarists, but what I'm saying is that if they stopped to consider their plan they'd realize that it really just causes a fustercluck of issues. Even if you never promote, you're still a well reknowned member of one of the three Grand Companies who has close ties with its leader. Now, let's say that the WoL is with the Flames, then this incident combined with the whole Ivy deal would make the perfect setup to have the Flames either disbanded or put under the Monetarists jurisdiction. However if the WoL is with Maelstrom or the Adders...then now you have a foreign agent assassinating (or attempting to) your ruler. Best case scenario, Merlwyb or Kan-E Senna declare you a rogue agent and aid in your arrest. Worst case, citizens cry for blood or mustache-twirling Teledji tries to strongarm the Leader into aiding and they call his bluff, since Ul'Dah is already heavily destabilized both politically and militarily, not to mention the possibility of having to go against two nations. Middle ground they declare you rogue and only give a token show of support (ie. Guys that will loudly shout, "There s/he is! Go down these roads to catch them!" more to signal you than them). But still that's a pretty big risk if you ask me. Of course, that's all assuming that their aim is Omega to fight off Garlemand and not, say, disassembling the Alliance to aid Garlemand.

The thing is, the Scions will not condone the use of Omega weapon. Period. They're all about discovering AND then keeping it secret/sealed up (Chrystal Tower originally had Cid want to seal it up)

And the syndicate knows this. I can see the syndicate (Lolorito) use Omega as a way to force the other city states into his rule and as a weapon against any future Garlemald invasion.

It'll be nice if this was a completely non-garlean plan and is a plan of an Eorzean bad guy.

Though, it won't surprise me he does end up selling it to the Garleans

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Originally Posted by myahele

It'll be nice if this was a completely non-garlean plan and is a plan of an Eorzean bad guy.

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I'm with you on that one, Garleans this, Garleans that, it shouldn't always be the Empire's fault - whenever it isn't the Ascians', anyway. I'd actually like to see more of the positive sides of the Empire soon.

Hard to see any "positives" to an empire that wanted several city states to bow down to their will and merge with them.

Since the last cutscene with Lolorito I've had a personal theory that, while he ultimately took advatage of Teledji's plans, he A.) Didn't know the exact scope, and B.) Wasn't expecting him to be a GIGANTIC IDIOT and piss of Raubhan, especially not right then. Also that he may not be an evil jerk depending on what they do further in the story (still a jerk of course).

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Originally Posted by Dualblade

Since the last cutscene with Lolorito I've had a personal theory that, while he ultimately took advatage of Teledji's plans, he A.) Didn't know the exact scope, and B.) Wasn't expecting him to be a GIGANTIC IDIOT and piss of Raubhan, especially not right then. Also that he may not be an evil jerk depending on what they do further in the story (still a jerk of course).

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I get that sense too. Lolorito seems to be more for subtly taking things over rather than Teledji's outright coup. Yes, things seemed to be working towards Lolorito's plans, but NOT the way he wanted it. Had he somehow heard of Nanamo's intention to abdicate, then knowing him he would have probably tried to put his own people in enough powerful or swaying positions to be able to put himself as the first non-royal leader of Ul'dah. That in turn would allow him to mold the nation into what he wanted it to be, so... yeah.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

I'm with you on that one, Garleans this, Garleans that, it shouldn't always be the Empire's fault - whenever it isn't the Ascians', anyway. I'd actually like to see more of the positive sides of the Empire soon.

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The Garleans, particularly those intent on invasion, are portrayed as Tyrants. Sure, they can be quite benevolent but they are tyrants never the less with a very strong dose of hubris.

I do suspect however we will eventually see factions within the Garlean Empire that we can be more sympathetic to. Its just currently, outside Cid, we only see the aggressive aspect of the empire. We have seen however there are factions within Garlemald. We could see something similar to how Novv is among the Sahagan.

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Considering her personality, she probably just meant that she will be powerless and useless to really do anything and she wants you to help Raubahn since you aren't powerless and useless.

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Sure could have fooled us based on how the cutscenes played out (almost immediately following that exact scene, even)

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Sure could have fooled us based on how the cutscenes played out (almost immediately following that exact scene, even)

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We become powerless because we have the law turned against us and are discredited. If we were not our standing and influence would have had a lot of pull. Nanamo's plan would have weakened the Monetarists. They pre emptively swung the the scales against us by discrediting us and removing the threat Nanamo represented to their power. They almost certainly knew her plan.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

I think Nammy isn't dead because of 1 reason alone. Ilbert didn't want Raubahn to see her because it was quote on quote "Painful to see". Why didn't you just let him see his Sultana he loves so much eh? You wanted to keep him there so you could rile him up into a rage and do something he probably will regret. I think what Nammy drank was a fake death poison. If she was "really dead" Ilbert wouldn't mind letting him pass to see her, or in fact you could have at least bring her to him. I have a strong feeling they are hiding her somewhere because she isn't truly dead.

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It is an interesting theory. The question is, what is the benefit to them keeping her alive? Having her dead completely takes her out of the picture without any chance of her making a come back. If there is a reason, it is one that has not been presented to us yet. It is odd though he was not allowed to see her.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

It is an interesting theory.

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Well, it is as you say we don't know their motive if they want her alive for some reason. Perhaps, they have the antidote and after some time passes when they have a good hold over Ul'dah in terms of power, they give the antidote to her, and show everyone the Monetarist are good people and everyone will join whatever it is the Monetarist want. Not sure could be a few reasons. But if said reasons are for them to gain power over Ul'dah "which they are after power for sure), then perhaps giving her the antidote to her could possibly hand over power to the Monetarist in exchange for saving her live ( since she doesn't know they did it.)

It really depends on if what they did gives them power. ( remember, lolorito wasn't exactly happy with the outcome with the expression on his face).

I have a feeling the rest of the trailer will have Nanamo's funeral in it, which is why they didn't want to show the whole trailer when they released it.

Well I can dream at least right? (Because her death was the best thing that could happen to Raubahn's development)

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

I have a feeling the rest of the trailer will have Nanamo's funeral in it, which is why they didn't want to show the whole trailer when they released it.

Well I can dream at least right? (Because her death was the best thing that could happen to Raubahn's development)

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Mmmm... something tells me that you might be right.

With enough prayers (and crystals) I'm sure those loyal to her can revive her!

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Originally Posted by myahele

With enough prayers (and crystals) I'm sure those loyal to her can revive her!

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omg, how terrible would it be to have to fight her as Nanamo Primal battle (because you know all crystal wished 'people' are bad...)

While I was driving to work I started to think about what could possibly happen in Heavensward regarding the Ascians, the Scions (if they're still around), and Zodiark. I love to speculate, and my metaphor started to itch, so I spent about 15 - 20 minutes coming up with this:

My quill to the page
On the morning's bell,
An uncertain future
I will foretell.

'Tis naught but speculation,
A dream had by me;
A silhouetted vision
Of what could be.

Corruption befalls
Our closest friends dear,
A sinister light
Is all that shines here.

Hydaelin is gone and
We all break and weep,
We do battle and fight
For all our souls to keep.

Zodiark reigns within
The bodies of the five,
Only by the Hero's hand
Can they perish or survive!

It'd be a bittersweet chain of events, I think.

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

omg, how terrible would it be to have to fight her as Nanamo Primal battle (because you know all crystal wished 'people' are bad...)

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Lalafell primal, :O /panic . Or more Puppet Nanamo, even more freaky as a undead lich.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Lalafell primal, :O /panic . Or more Puppet Nanamo, even more freaky as a undead lich.

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Was just a preview!
http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/b...20130921_6.jpg

More about things that happen in the last part of 2.55

We don't know for sure what happened with Nanamo. The Monetarists wouldn't want Nanamo to be able to abdicate the power and let another type of government not controlled by them be established, so there's the reason for her being poisoned before she does it.

Letting her be alive but controlled might be useful for Lolorito and company to keep things under control faking the Sultana is on their side. It's a bit weird Nanamo had a plan to leave the power without a plan of having established how things would go later, and without at least some key people knowing the plan and having it all established. Foreign powers and the Warrior of Light are not the ones to make that plan happen. Why didn't she have a well established plan of transition to a new order? (Which would mean at least some powerful people inside Ul Dah know of her plan.)


I have watched the cutscenes again and think probably Nanamo is dead, but everything is open yet. I think most probably Yda and Papalimo are alive but captured. Supposedly Yshtola and Thancred were going to die with the tunnel falling over them but it is not completely sure. Why Minfilia goes back is still a mystery. We are supposed to think she goes back to sacrifice herself so that the Warrior of Light can escape and there is a light of hope since he is alive, but it's also open (why should she go back just to be killed?), it might be she goes back to save the others. The content of the message she received from Hyadelin is a mystery now.

I also saw Urianger's scene again and it is meant for us to think he is betraying us, or at least has his own agenda. But it is open to make it finally be otherwise.

Characters to be there for sure: Tataru (maybe evil?) and Urianger (maybe a traitor?), Alphinaud and Alisaie, Cid (a real rock always there for us), Pippin, the new force on our side in Ul Dah. And Lord Manderville.

The Ascians seem to have a lot of power in Ishgard's highest instances. Mirgardsorm warns we will only find ugly nasty things there (probably biased opinion, really.) We don't seem to have a lot of friends in Ishgard for now, but one of the big houses is on our side at least.

We have still a big character in Ul Dah that has not appeared: Lord Manderville. He is member of the Syndicate, powerful, and on our side, and should have been informed of Nanamo's plan and been part of it, probably. And he is not supposedly dead nor in prison. I think he will be part of the solution to Ul Dah's political situation.

If things in 3.0 are going to happen mainly in Ishgard, I wonder if Ul Dah matters will be left on standby until a future that is not near for us, players in real world. I hope not : )

"Lord Manderville" is Godbert, Hildibrand's dad, not some other unrevealed character. He has shown up in a Main Scenario cutscene before, but he can't use his superpowers in situations where he has to stay clothed.

Just one scene in the Ul'dah arc of Heavensward with a fully in-character, out-of-clothes Godbert is all I ask.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

"Lord Manderville" is Godbert, Hildibrand's dad, not some other unrevealed character.

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I of course know who he is.

But he has not appeared in any of the last cutscenes, and being an important person in Ul Dah that is strange. I think likely he has some important part on the story to come.

I think Godbert is the only remaining Syndicate member on our side, so it wouldn't be strange if at some point we end up working to get his official support.

Now that the full Heavensward opening is out, it's pretty safe to say that the Ul'dah story won't be put off until 3.X. I'm fully expecting the the Dragonsong War, the Ul'dahan revolution, the new Garlean Emperor, and whatever nonsense the Ascians are up to will all converge in a final showdown on the Floating Continent.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

I think Godbert is the only remaining Syndicate member on our side, so it wouldn't be strange if at some point we end up working to get his official support.

Now that the full Heavensward opening is out, it's pretty safe to say that the Ul'dah story won't be put off until 3.X. I'm fully expecting the the Dragonsong War, the Ul'dahan revolution, the new Garlean Emperor, and whatever nonsense the Ascians are up to will all converge in a final showdown on the Floating Continent.

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The Ul'dah stuff'll hopefully be started by 3.1 at the latest, if not something like 3.05, I bet a lot of people are itching to destroy the Syndicate

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Originally Posted by MaethusXion

The Ul'dah stuff'll hopefully be started by 3.1 at the latest, if not something like 3.05, I bet a lot of people are itching to destroy the Syndicate

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What I meant was, I'm pretty sure it'll be a part of the 50-60 story, since Omega Weapon has already been confirmed for 3.0 as well. Why else show Lolorito in the opening, if not to say "this guy's going down?"

I just finished the 2.55 storyline.

OMG! SO MUCH F****** BULL SH**!!!!!

Raubahn gets fed up with Teledji Adeledji's crap and kills him. YES! Thank you! Unfortunately, from that point forward, we are met with an onslaught of stupidity and cowardice.

After watching the Sultana get murdered and Raubahn's arm gets cut off, Merlwyb and Kan-e-Senna just say "welp, after watching Raubahn's betrayal unfold before our very eyes, we're gonna abandon our old comrade in arms and the leader of the armies of Ul'dah in his direst moment of need to die."

Raubahn then frees me, the warrior of light who slays gods and could kill Ilberd and every last f****** Brass Blade and Crystal Brave on my own. I also leave him alone to die.

The scions all throw their lives away for nothing (well, I'm sure they aren't really dead but they make it look like they are gone). Papalymo could have just shut the stupid gate to block the reinforcements and went with everyone. Thancred, Yshtola, and Minfilia stay behind for no good reason. Remember: I COULD HAVE KILLED EVERY SINGLE ENEMY PURSUING US! Why do I just run away with my tail between my legs and let my allies throw their lives away?

Then just to add insult to stupidity, the Ishgardians tell me they can't grant my request for asylum until they are no longer under threat of attack. WTF?! I just saved their d*** country from a huge dragon and have been recognized by the leader of their military as a hero! They should be thanking their gods for their good fortune that I have come knocking at their door and will be on their soil to help defend them from future attacks.

Please, SE, stop writing this kind of story. It seems none of the good guys except Raubahn had a brain or a spine and we abandoned him like a bunch of retarded cowards. I can put up with lame or mediocre stories (e.g. Most of the rest of this game's storyline), but not this kind of stupid where the heroes so badly lack any combination of intelligence and courage.

There is a saying we have in America: "all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." Watching a story like this just makes me mad, especially when I have a character in the story who is the one letting evil triumph by doing nothing. IRL I'm not powerful enough save the world or do much at all. One of the reasons I like games and fantasy is to be able to be the kind of hero I could only dream about being IRL. Heck, that's why we like Superhero movies so much. I know I'm not the only one who feels that way. I can put up with my character simply not being powerful enough and losing, but I can't put up with my character lacking the courage to fight.

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Originally Posted by myahele

I wonder if this is Nidhogg? This dragon is displayed prominently in promos. It also has 4 eyes and the DRG af has 4 eyes.

http://wallnoy.com/wp-content/upload...llpaper_30.jpg

I am more interested in WHY missing an eye makes him so weak?

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After seeing the full movie trailer. I discovered that this dragon is not Nidhogg. Just another class of dragon we didnt have seen before. The video shows a lot of dragons 100% like this one and also that this dragon is small, obiously Nidhogg is much more bigger.

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Originally Posted by giantslayer

I just finished the 2.55 storyline.

OMG! SO MUCH F****** BULL SH**!!!!!

There is a saying we have in America: "all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." Watching a story like this just makes me mad, especially when I have a character in the story who is the one letting evil triumph by doing nothing. IRL I'm not powerful enough save the world or do much at all. One of the reasons I like games and fantasy is to be able to be the kind of hero I could only dream about being IRL. Heck, that's why we like Superhero movies so much. I know I'm not the only one who feels that way. I can put up with my character simply not being powerful enough and losing, but I can't put up with my character lacking the courage to fight.

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If you spend some time traveling around and talking to NPC you'll see the other GC leaders aren't doing nothing. The reason they couldn't get involved and aid Raubahn was address many times in this thread already. It wasn't cowardice. It was doing the hard but right thing. If they had acted there they would be helping an assassin who was breaking Ul'dah's laws attempt to kill another city leader illegally.

As for your character, what do you think your character was going to do? Fight the entire standing army of Ul'dah? Do remember the current evidence has set you up as the assassin of the Sultana. Who was going to lead Ul'dah afterward? The sultana was dead. If the syndicate was wiped out, how do you think it would look if you tried to set Raubahn up as leader? The accused assassin of the Sultana aids Raubahn in killing the other leaders and seizing power? The people would turn on him. Imagine if the other GC leaders got involved. Then not only would he look like he had staged a coup but it would also look like he was a puppet set up by foreign powers with the aid of the Scions. We would look as guilty as sin in the eyes of the public.

The whole point of this was we had no good options. We had to retreat cause the only thing that would bring us a just and victorious outcome was one where the truth came out and the guilty were shown for all to see. To quote another saying "only fools rush in."

As for superheroes, they are always faced with such struggles. Why do you think superman has Lex Lothar, a guy without any powers, as one of his most well known enemies. Sometimes you cant win just by beating people up. This is the bread and butter of superhero movies. It makes the reckoning when it comes all the sweeter when those who betrayed us and smiled smugly see there world crashing down and know their greatest mistake screwing with us.

Keeping it brief: I've always been of the mind that a fade to white simply means a return to the Lifestream (that's still a thing, isn't it?), and a fade to black being unconsciousness.

If the Sultana and the Scions are suddenly alive and well, I would see that as simply bad writing, and the worst kind of deus-ex-style garbage. This isn't Homestuck, you know.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

What I meant was, I'm pretty sure it'll be a part of the 50-60 story, since Omega Weapon has already been confirmed for 3.0 as well. Why else show Lolorito in the opening, if not to say "this guy's going down?"

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What opening are you guys talking about? I see you guys mention funeral in a trailer as well, but not a whole lot of it. Did I miss something here?