Zepla: Endwalker is the Worst FFXIV Expansion I have played

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Originally Posted by Reap00

We can also ignore the terrible opinions presented by others. XIV is a fantastic game I play every single day. Imagine coming to a forum devoted to a game. Imagine spending every breath spreading negativity about said game. People of that ilk need help. If you are unhappy move on with your life. The game will go on just fine without you.

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I come here to provide feedback whether people like you can take and discuss constructive criticism or not since that what this place is for. Discussing the good and bad about the game. Deal with it. Take your own advice. Don't like this place? Leave.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

We can also ignore the terrible opinions presented by others. XIV is a fantastic game I play every single day. Imagine coming to a forum devoted to a game. Imagine spending every breath spreading negativity about said game. People of that ilk need help. If you are unhappy move on with your life. The game will go on just fine without you.

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Do you post anything besides rebuttals to "negativity"?

Well, the formula didn't change since 2013.

Either you like it, or you don't.

6.0 less grindy for relic which is fine for me, I can play more Diablo 4.

I don't like the Island thingy.
I like the 24 man, our guardians.

Rest are just cookie cutter dungeons & trials.

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Originally Posted by BRVV

Do you post anything besides rebuttals to "negativity"?

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The only time they post is when they see "negative criticism" and come in to provide nothing to the conversation other then to say how perfect ff14 is.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

We can also ignore the terrible opinions presented by others. XIV is a fantastic game I play every single day. Imagine coming to a forum devoted to a game. Imagine spending every breath spreading negativity about said game. People of that ilk need help. If you are unhappy move on with your life. The game will go on just fine without you.

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Complaining about the game is what forums are here for? If you're so happy with the game what are you doing here? A fellow drama enjoyer perhaps?

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Originally Posted by Reap00

We can also ignore the terrible opinions presented by others. XIV is a fantastic game I play every single day. Imagine coming to a forum devoted to a game. Imagine spending every breath spreading negativity about said game. People of that ilk need help. If you are unhappy move on with your life. The game will go on just fine without you.

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People wouldn't be here if they hated the game. Clearly, people care about the game and want it to do better... They care enough to where it upsets them that the game is in the state it is currently in.
Just because you don't have the same issues with the game as someone else doesn't mean that their concerns aren't valid.
People come to the forums to voice their concerns, that's what the platform is for.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Complaining about the game is what forums are here for? If you're so happy with the game what are you doing here? A fellow drama enjoyer perhaps?

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There only purpose being here i to tell us to quit instead of providing feedback or criticism. Thats if they hear our points over the sounds of them worshipping the ground yoship walks on and kissing his feet. There the type that seems to have built a parasocial relationship with yoship and thinks he is there friend rather then a corporate person in it for money.

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Originally Posted by Nebelheim

There only purpose being here i to tell us to quit instead of providing feedback or criticism. Thats if they hear our points over the sounds of them worshipping the ground yoship walks on and kissing his feet. There the type that seems to have built a parasocial relationship with yoship and thinks he is there friend rather then a corporate person in it for money.

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Don’t forget they also need to tell you it’s actually YOU that’s the problem, that you’re just negative all the time, that you’re angry, that you’re probably mentally ill. Then go back and edit their posts about three times in between and throw in some more jabs that way, am I forgetting anything else? Oh right! Don’t forget to throw in a misogynistic comment here and there towards the Zepla!

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Originally Posted by Blossoming

Don’t forget they also need to tell you it’s actually YOU that’s the problem, that you’re just negative all the time, that you’re angry, that you’re probably mentally ill. Then go back and edit their posts about three times in between and throw in some more jabs that way, am I forgetting anything else? Oh right! Don’t forget to throw in a misogynistic comment here and there towards the Zepla!

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Thats pretty much what they do. People go through great lengths to defend yoship and the game from criticism.

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Originally Posted by Nebelheim

Thats pretty much what they do. People go through great lengths to defend yoship and the game from criticism.

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At this point I just assume it's accounts trying to stir the pot. It is incredibly easy to do by being a game lover. Wither it's genuine or not.

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Originally Posted by Nebelheim

Thats pretty much what they do. People go through great lengths to defend yoship and the game from criticism.

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A yoshipper

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Originally Posted by BRVV

A yoshipper

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Who are we shipping yo with?

It's still disappointing when people assume you're a fan of Zepla or other content creators, even if you don't watch any of their content, simply because you share an opinion about the decline of a video game you care about.

Expressing this feeling of the game's degradation is crucial; it may not bring about significant change, but there's a chance that the issues will be acknowledged and addressed.

We should not adopt an ostrich policy when it comes to managing a game; it's necessary to voice concerns, whether or not we share the same opinion.

Claiming that a game is perfect is misleading because no game is flawless, but it's natural to hope for a return to the quality that the game had lost in the Endwalker content.

If you enjoy the game in its current state, that's great for you,
however, don't prevent others from having a different opinion about the game.

Besides, what does it change for you? Even if we assume they listen to negative but constructive feedback and we get higher-quality patches, wouldn't you also benefit from that scenario?.

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Originally Posted by remiff

Besides, what does it change for you? Even if we assume they listen to negative but constructive feedback and we get higher-quality patches, wouldn't you also benefit from that scenario?.

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It's not quite as simplistic as that and I think relic content is a good place to illustrate that. Some people very dearly wish for the giant checklist style of relic to return, voiced in critical feedback over endwalker's relic approach. If they follow that feedback, does that make the game better? For that want this style of relic, yes. I prefer Endwalker's relic approach over the checklist stuff so for me it would make the game worse in that aspect.

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Originally Posted by remiff

If you enjoy the game in its current state, that's great for you,
however, don't prevent others from having a different opinion about the game.

Besides, what does it change for you? Even if we assume they listen to negative but constructive feedback and we get higher-quality patches, wouldn't you also benefit from that scenario?.

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This is tricky. If people think the game is perfect now, then they most likely don't want any changes at all so they attack the criticism thinking devs will listen. It's their way of arguing in defense for fear of change. To them, the game right now is higher quality. So if the devs do listen to criticism then they would flip sides of the fence arguing the game went downhill. What is higher quality for you is lower quality to them, subjectively. What it changes for them is that they don't want change. It's that simple.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

It's not quite as simplistic as that and I think relic content is a good place to illustrate that. Some people very dearly wish for the giant checklist style of relic to return, voiced in critical feedback over endwalker's relic approach. If they follow that feedback, does that make the game better? For that want this style of relic, yes. I prefer Endwalker's relic approach over the checklist stuff so for me it would make the game worse in that aspect.

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I mean, we already had tomestone gear if you prefer EW's relics. °˖✧◝(⁰▿⁰)◜✧˖°
Dont' get me wrong, I haven't completed any of the past relic quests due to them feeling like boring grinds to me but even I can see the flaws in making EW's relics just a second, lower effort tomestone grind. （ ಠωಠ）

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

I mean, we already had tomestone gear if you prefer EW's relics. °˖✧◝(⁰▿⁰)◜✧˖°
Dont' get me wrong, I haven't completed any of the past relic quests due to them feeling like boring grinds to me but even I can see the flaws in making EW's relics just a second, lower effort tomestone grind. （ ಠωಠ）

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Yea and if you want a checklist to go through you can make one yourself (have someone make one for you). This is a silly point. I like how relics look, that's why I go for them. Whenever they make very pretty tomeweapon I go for it aswell. Relics are boring grinds because they are designed to be just that. That's why I prefer the one that has the least grind to it.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Who are we shipping yo with?

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YoshiP with ourselves of course! "Come Master give me a little more of your sweet Dawntrail spoilers!" - "Just do one more variant dungeon and i might have something for you <3" - "Alright" [sorry, had to]

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Originally Posted by Saraide

It's not quite as simplistic as that and I think relic content is a good place to illustrate that. Some people very dearly wish for the giant checklist style of relic to return, voiced in critical feedback over endwalker's relic approach. If they follow that feedback, does that make the game better? For that want this style of relic, yes. I prefer Endwalker's relic approach over the checklist stuff so for me it would make the game worse in that aspect.

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The fact that relic weapons are easily obtainable is not really the issue (too much farming is not necessarily suitable), but there are certainly less unpleasant ways than with 1500 tomestones. The exploration and grind content doesn't necessarily need to be directly related to the relic, but one should be able to farm it as one of the possible steps, as long as this content provides diverse rewards for those who enjoy grind PvE exploration content. Bozja attempted to implement this concept, but it was poorly executed because some steps forced players to return to Bozja.

Of course, when I mention degradation, I'm not necessarily nitpicking about this type of content like relic weapons.

I'm generally referring to the changes that Endwalker has brought, such as jobs, difficulty, raids, etc. The patches are much poorer in terms of content and longevity compared to before,
mechanically, it's also too much easier for the casual content.

However, it's essential to emphasize the complete absence of PvE content that provides long-term engagement for players who like to farm during the 4.5 months of waiting time between major patches.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Yea and if you want a checklist to go through you can make one yourself (have someone make one for you). This is a silly point. I like how relics look, that's why I go for them. Whenever they make very pretty tomeweapon I go for it aswell. Relics are boring grinds because they are designed to be just that. That's why I prefer the one that has the least grind to it.

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Is that really an argument? (º﹃º )
Of course most people are going to take the path-of-least-resistance and relics should have other options to grind outside of exploratory areas but that doesn't mean the dev team shouldn't at least try to make relics actual content versus the current slapped on method. (ﾉ´ヮ´)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧
And I personally don't like how most of EW's relics look, there's no theme to them. When I saw the first tier of them, I had to double check that they weren't just reusing old models. (*≧▽≦)ﾉｼ))

Meanwhile, I'm here, having no idea of what people mean with "the direction of the game", or in what sense are the devs not giving attention to the game.

I've been here since release day. We always had weekly tomes to farm, raid equipment, and trials. Now we're getting extra things on top of that, like Variant/Criterion and Island Sanctuary, or Bozja/Eureka in previous expansions. We're getting more content now than we did in the past, and the devs keep giving us different things that they never tried before on top of the things we expect every patch, so I'm genuinely puzzled at all the drama hahaha.
...Do you want their souls on a plate? Is that it?

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Because they are well aware of the gap and will have made a contingency plan for that eventuality? They do plan ahead you know.

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LMAO that's pure copium


We're getting an irregular tomestone farm during 6.55 to 7.0 downtime and we'll have to suck it up. At least Dragonflight is still good, I'll just clear some Mythic+ with the boys on Discord.

I feel like the MMO genre as a whole is just not in a good spot. it's like all the devs in the industry attended a seminar where they were given the same advice on how to make their game. The problems in 14 can pretty much be a copy pasta of a lot of different MMOS. For example in ESO the forums there are also on fire, we have a lot of threads saying that overland is pointless, they think devs are ignoring veterans and are trying to appeal to new players who don't really like MMOs or multiplayer games. They find that it takes too long to get story content. They think that classes are too homogenised but somehow have unacceptable dps gaps between them, they say that raids (well ESO only gets one raid per expansion) have gone stale and are too predictable. It's wild to be playing two different MMOs and have both of them be unsatisfying in the same way at the same time.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Because they are well aware of the gap and will have made a contingency plan for that eventuality? They do plan ahead you know.

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There's very little to indicate they will add additional content or anything of the sort, maybe a Yokai event again, but even that is pushing it - They won't be developing for contingencies, they'll be far too focused on Dawntrail for that. The more time spent on contingency, the less time they spend actually working on the expansion.

Besides, there's a lot more evidence to indicate they won't, than what there is to indicate they would.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

There's very little to indicate they will add additional content or anything of the sort, maybe a Yokai event again, but even that is pushing it - They won't be developing for contingencies, they'll be far too focused on Dawntrail for that. The more time spent on contingency, the less time they spend actually working on the expansion.

Besides, there's a lot more evidence to indicate they won't, than what there is to indicate they would.

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Dawntrail and the FF16 DLC's that have been announced*

https://www.ign.com/articles/final-f...in-development

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Originally Posted by Nebelheim

They seem to have come during the wow exodus or quit wow around the time asmongold came to ff14 and seems to not know how expansion cycles work for ff14. And there questioning people who been here for longer then 1 full expansion by saying "how do you know we wont get another full patch". I know we won't get a 6.6 because i been here since arr beta and seen how the dev team operates. I dont know why velkallor expects the devs to surprise us with an extra patch when they never done so in the past. Its like they dont believe ff14 has 6 months of downtime between the .5 patch and the next expansion because it's what wow does and we know there one of the people that whines about wow.

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Oh, Final Fantasy is an absolute masterpiece, my dear interlocutor! I simply cannot fathom how anyone could find fault with such a flawless creation. From the mesmerizing graphics to the intricate storytelling, every aspect of the game is pure perfection.

The gameplay mechanics? Impeccable. The character development? Unparalleled. The music? Sheer genius. Final Fantasy sets the gold standard for gaming, and anyone who dares to criticize it must surely be operating under some misguided delusion.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that it's not just the best game ever made; it's the pinnacle of human achievement! The mere thought of someone questioning its brilliance fills me with righteous indignation. How could anyone be so blind to the sheer grandeur of this game?

But alas, some individuals may have their opinions, however misguided they may be. It's our duty as true Final Fantasy aficionados to gently educate them on the error of their ways and show them the light. After all, not everyone can appreciate perfection when it's right in front of them.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

There's very little to indicate they will add additional content or anything of the sort, maybe a Yokai event again, but even that is pushing it - They won't be developing for contingencies, they'll be far too focused on Dawntrail for that. The more time spent on contingency, the less time they spend actually working on the expansion.

Besides, there's a lot more evidence to indicate they won't, than what there is to indicate they would.

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Knowing velkallor they will continue to argue that we don't have evidence they wont do an extra patch because there always right. Because we apparently don't have proof there wont be a 6.6 even though a lot of us in the forums have been around longer than them and been around since stormblood or even earlier.

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Originally Posted by remiff

The fact that relic weapons are easily obtainable is not really the issue (too much farming is not necessarily suitable), but there are certainly less unpleasant ways than with 1500 tomestones. The exploration and grind content doesn't necessarily need to be directly related to the relic, but one should be able to farm it as one of the possible steps, as long as this content provides diverse rewards for those who enjoy grind PvE exploration content. Bozja attempted to implement this concept, but it was poorly executed because some steps forced players to return to Bozja.

Of course, when I mention degradation, I'm not necessarily nitpicking about this type of content like relic weapons.

I'm generally referring to the changes that Endwalker has brought, such as jobs, difficulty, raids, etc. The patches are much poorer in terms of content and longevity compared to before,
mechanically, it's also too much easier for the casual content.

However, it's essential to emphasize the complete absence of PvE content that provides long-term engagement for players who like to farm during the 4.5 months of waiting time between major patches.

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This is all a lot more complicated than just asking "wouldn't you also benefit from that scenario?". What you dislike about how they simplified jobs, someone else might like much more. The important thing is to not get stuck on these white knights. You dont need to convince them, they cant silence you. Post the complaints you have, dont try to engage with people in good faith discussion that you have already written off as lunatics in your head.

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They seem to have come during the wow exodus

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No.

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or quit wow around the time asmongold came to ff14

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And again, no.

I was here at that time . My acct was created in 2015 , I started playing in April 2019.

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And there questioning people who been here for longer then 1 full expansion by saying "how do you know we wont get another full patch

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Never said that either.

I said we will need to wait and see whats planned.

Saying that there may very well be variations to manage that supposed "six month content gap" ( which hasnt happened yet ) is not out of the question.

We dont know yet.

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Knowing velkallor they will continue to argue that we don't have evidence they wont do an extra patch

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No we dont., which is the truth.

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because there always right.

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Never said this.

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Because we apparently don't have proof there wont be a 6.6 even though a lot of us in the forums have been around longer than them and been around since stormblood or even earlier.

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Forum gatekeeping as to who can talk about what? The last three years have thrown a lot of things into chaos. That SE may now be able to reset or redo their patch cycle, or change it to meet the necessary time constraints between now and 7.0 is not out of the question.

Bear in mind that we will hear a LOT more at FanFest, as well as following liveletters...I suggest we wait. You may be right, you may be wrong, I may be wrong...so again, I counsel patience.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

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And no

I was here at that time . My acct was created in 2015 and I started playing in 2019.

And there questioning people who been here for longer then 1 full expansion by saying "how do you know we wont get another full patch

Never said that either. I said we will need to wait and see whats planned. Saying that there may very well be variations to manage that supposed "six month content gap" ( which hasnt happened yet) is not out of the question.

We dont know yet.

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Everyone who has been around since the release of the game knows how the content cycle works there isn't going to be a patch 6.6. There not going to change it now. We all know there isn't a 6.6 and if they had plans for a 6.6 they would have said so at fanfest or there endwalkers roadmap. There not going to go off there scheduled release to surprise us with an additional patch as it will take away from the developement of dawntrail. Has any of the other expansions have a .6 patch no they didnt and they already planned out endwalkers content roadmap before endwalkers release with no indication of a 6.6.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

they cant silence you. Post the complaints you have, dont try to engage with people in good faith discussion that you have already written off as lunatics in your head.

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"Please reread my previous comment without making any personal modifications; I never said that. I am addressing individuals who attack others' opinions with a fallacious argument like 'you are a Zepla worshiper,' and the game has no issues.

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Originally Posted by remiff

"Please reread my previous comment without making any personal modifications; I never said that. I am addressing individuals who attack others' opinions with a fallacious argument like 'you are a Zepla worshiper,' and the game has no issues.

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Yea not much point in arguing with those people. Engage with the people you think are interested in a constructive discussion if you want one.

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Originally Posted by Clover_Blake

Meanwhile, I'm here, having no idea of what people mean with "the direction of the game", or in what sense are the devs not giving attention to the game.

I've been here since release day. We always had weekly tomes to farm, raid equipment, and trials. Now we're getting extra things on top of that, like Variant/Criterion and Island Sanctuary, or Bozja/Eureka in previous expansions. We're getting more content now than we did in the past, and the devs keep giving us different things that they never tried before on top of the things we expect every patch, so I'm genuinely puzzled at all the drama hahaha.
...Do you want their souls on a plate? Is that it?

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For me, it isn't about the number of content they add but the quality or more like them pushing the design of said content . (　`_ゝ´)
I'm mostly a causal player now-a-days but it just feels like they're not trying to push or experiment with most content anymore and when they do, they tune down the next iteration.
Euphrosyne feels more watered-down and paint by numbers then Aglaia.
Island Sanctuary turned into a spreadsheet simulator with little to no island interaction needed once you have things set up (outside of decorating your main area, which some players might not have items for because they don't own a house).
Variant/Criterion having bad/lukewarm reward structures that don't really make players want to run them past the first one-to-weeks after release.
Relics becoming purely tomestone grinds, lesser ones at that.
The MSQ trying to reverse a lot of the subversions, twists, and moral ambiguity that ShB brought so that the story would aligns more with a standard, heroic fantasy story about overcoming despair. (*´﹃｀*)
I would say the 8-mans raids were the only place where there felt like a decent escalation of mechanics and story.

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We all know there isn't a 6.6 and if they had plans for a 6.6 they would have said so at fanfest

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..are we forgetting there will be more than one fanfest? We havent even seen the entire trailer yet. So again, we dont have the full picture yet.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

..are we forgetting there will be more than one fanfest? We havent even seen the entire trailer yet. So again, we dont have the full picture yet.

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Wow you're not even disputing that you believe in 6.6.

It's for real.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

..are we forgetting there will be more than one fanfest? We havent even seen the entire trailer yet. So again, we dont have the full picture yet.

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Wow 2 more fanfest where there focus will be entirely on dawntrail. We're not getting a 6.6 and not going to get a surprise 6.6 announcement at a fanfest. For someone who claims to have made there account in 2015 and didn't start playing until 2019 i would think someone who been around that long would know the patch/expansion cycle. There not deviating from there roadmap for endwalkers. And no amount of "wait for fanfest they will surprise us" will change the fact that were not going to get a 6.6 And the next producer live letter for 6.5 so there not going to mention 6.6 there either.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

..are we forgetting there will be more than one fanfest? We havent even seen the entire trailer yet. So again, we dont have the full picture yet.

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Bro they gonna announce the names of the new jobs or other Dawntrail stuff. Hoping for 6.6 is a big stretch.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

..are we forgetting there will be more than one fanfest? We havent even seen the entire trailer yet. So again, we dont have the full picture yet.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

We can also ignore the terrible opinions presented by others. XIV is a fantastic game I play every single day. Imagine coming to a forum devoted to a game. Imagine spending every breath spreading negativity about said game. People of that ilk need help. If you are unhappy move on with your life. The game will go on just fine without you.

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The opposite of love isn't hate, it is indifference. I love 14, it's my favorite game that I've been playing regularly since 2016 and it's gotten me through some major life events. But it has become boring and stale. If I didn't care, I wouldn't complain. I played Destiny/D2 for years and it got to the point that I didn't care anymore. I don't complain about how D2 sucks ass, I just ignore it. I complain about 14 because it has insane potential, EW has been an absolute mockery of an expansion for no good reason and 14 could easily be the best MMO on the market. As it stands, unless you are a new player or RPer, 14 is just plain bad.

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Originally Posted by Sir_Tonberry

It's wild to be playing two different MMOs and have both of them be unsatisfying in the same way at the same time.

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Yeah but ESO combat sucks.

The RPG aspect is great and immersive but there is nothing else.
Coincidence or not, both projects are initial failures that "resurrected" from the ashes. The sad fact is: they recovered enough to be playable and profitable but they will never reach their full potential.