Predictions for job(s) in the next expansion?

My Predictions...

Time Mage as a DoT focused Magic user. Allows them to rework Smn to not be a busted balance headache because it's juggling Dots and insta cast and support with a dog-poop pet system. (Smn rework to replace Egis with some other less mobile trance and to take their dots away). Their utility could be to turn damage taken into a 5sec dot to give healers more time to through raid wide damage. Sounds kinda lame but seeing as it's not a direct DPS gain buff it could qualify as a semi-selfish DPS and warrant near BLM damage. Not a mobile job either, likes to cast spells that can use it's DoTs to build up to a massive burst phase when things time out.

Geomancer as a Melee Hammer Healer. (yup, I'm going with our girl being a hint at 2 different jobs). Being a healer I'd expect their DPS rotation to still be simple AF compared to DPS, much like Tanks, even if the devs add complexity to healer rotations as I expect they will. "But boo hoo, sometime mechs ask healers to do xyz" Then give em more dmg to make up for the fact that they have to leave the boss sometimes just like they give to melees. Also allows comps to have an easier time slotting in a melee when 3 DPS players want to play as ranged/ casters.

Tamer as "based on Beast Master buuuuut we know how sideways Blu went so yeah ..". Whip as a weapon and allows them to actually balance the ranged DPS in a good way like they did with Tnks (Dnc effectively turned Ranged into another balance nightmare cause Brd's just left without a hook and the Mch rework needs some more work as it became braindead spam that can be botted with ease if someone wants to give their fingers a break). Like Dnc it's support focused/ RDPS heavy job with AOE love. Can channel the bonds they share with certain beast to alter their attacks some and provide different buffs to the party.
Side content could be a DoL like "farm" where you can go to an instanced solo area and get eggs and wool and such from monsters you tamed. Something simple, doesn't have to me more than the instant cut scene you see when you feed your Chocobo.

I just want to be a Beastmaster without limitations - even if it only means taming certain beasts (as job quests) and using them in battle.

Would be cool to have a shaman-type healer... like a combination of necromancer + chemist somehow.

Maybe we may get a new Job based on the Main Character of Final Fantasy 16 :p

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Originally Posted by Archwizard

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One thing that's important to note is that when a party member's HP hits 0, they're considered "Knocked Out" by the game's terminology, not dead. Raise isn't literally reviving a dead ally, but restoring consciousness to an unconscious ally.

More to my point from before, Necromancers are defined by their communications with the dead and the use of death magic to kill others in attempts to be able to animate their dead corpses for their own use. Additionally, our only reference point for Necromancer in Final Fantasy is from FFV where their Dark Arts magic enables them to use these abilities:

Drain Touch - Absorb an enemy's HP to heal themselves.
Dark Haze - Non-Elemental AoE damage that inflicts Old and Confuse
Deep Freeze - Ice Elemental ST damage that inflicts Stop
Evil Mist -Poison Elemental AoE damage that inflicts Poison
Meltdown - Fire Elemental AoE damage that inflicts Sap
Hellwind - Wind Elemental AoE damage that inflicts Petrify
Chaos Drive - Lightning Elemental AoE damage that inflicts Paralysis
Curse - The wiki just says "causes various status ailments"
Dark Flare - Dark? Elemental AoE damage that ignores magic defense
Doomsday - "Deals incredible damage to all enemies. Non-reflectable"

None of those sound particularly healer-y to me.

Dark Knight was supposed to be HP sacrificing beefy DPS yet is Tank class in XIV so Necromancer if it becomes a thing can be whatever the hell it wants.

How about something like a Gambler Time Mage? Manipulates fate to provide advantages in combat. Tidus in FFX was a melee Time Mage, so I don't see why that can't be done here, especially when AST has the caster part of that identity already.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Maybe we may get a new Job based on the Main Character of Final Fantasy 16 :p

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He looks like a mix of Red Mage and Summoner, so, Red Summoner?

my bet will be this:

- healer, probably chemist since it's a bit hinted in the 5.3 msq, using drugs for buff ally and poison for deal damage
- dps melee, hammer oriented jobs, we did seen more and more hammer user in shadowbringer, a very hard hitter class that will have slow but really violent attack.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Maybe we may get a new Job based on the Main Character of Final Fantasy 16 :p

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will not happend with the 6.X since it come next year, FF16 will not come before 3-4 years.... then probably more for 7.X

I'd like to see Trainer(ffx)/Beast Master as a tank class, the pet is the actual tank. You command it's attacks. (Your pc becomes invulnerable and you fight via the pet hotbar)

Saboteur (ffxii)(also mistweaver monk in wow) as a melee healer, they use debuffs applied to the enemies and melee attacks to invoke the healing winds and healing rain. They fight with ribbons


Changeling / Shape changer - with Il Mheg being a thing and all those potions from deep dungeon and heaven on high, wouldn't it be nice if a certain player asked for help from a certain pixie who insists we ask for thier help.
They could also be assigned as stances with one for tank, one for melee dps, one for ranged dps and one for healing. Like a jack of all trades type class.

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

One thing that's important to note is that when a party member's HP hits 0, they're considered "Knocked Out" by the game's terminology, not dead. Raise isn't literally reviving a dead ally, but restoring consciousness to an unconscious ally.

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If we're at the point of splitting hairs like so, then I think that's more because the Echo makes us exceptional, as canonically those with it can return to a fight after sustaining lethal damage several times over (just look at the Warriors of Darkness encounter in Heavensward, where they revive via the Echo every time you put them down).

Meanwhile all terminology referencing revival from "KO" includes statements like "returns all fallen party members back to life" (Cairn of Return), or straight up calls it Resurrection.

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Additionally, our only reference point for Necromancer in Final Fantasy is from FFV

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I think it's pretty arbitrary to choose now to limit a job by its tiny pre-existing reference pool, considering FF14's entire MO?

Scholar for instance was never a pet or summon class until 14, and was as much a hybrid caster as Red Mage; Summoner was never focused on DoTs and has more examples of using White Magic while substituting summons in place of attack spells; Dark Knight was frequently an HP-sacrificing damage-dealer through its Darkside ability; Bard and Dancer were support jobs instead of damage-dealers; Gunblade-wielders like Squall and Lightning were JoATs rather than being particularly tanky (and Lightning was even one of the squishiest members of her party, relying on evasion over damage mitigation); and if we take Astrologian as its own entity, it has nothing in common with its Tactics iteration, and much more in common with Time Mage and Gambler.
And yet, here we are, each one of these jobs having scratched out a new identity with 14 as a vehicle.

I understand that you're trying to find an example of Necromancer as being more of a classical damage role, but in terms of gaming it has always been a varied archetype due to the sheer flexibility of "manipulation of life and death" magic. You can very frequently find examples focused on vampirism or siphoning health from enemies, which generally has more utility in the hands of a meatshield tank or a substitute-healer.

The entire PotD plotline is what makes me think Necromancer is never gonna happen.
We've seen what Necromancy means in Eorzea, and it's not something the WoL would ever get involved with.

Even the boss in the Heroes Gauntlet has clearly gone insane just like Edda.
Which btw, just like Ink Mage, Thief and Berserker, is another indication that it's not going to happen.
It'd be pretty awkward if an example of an alternate job on another shard suddenly becomes a real job.


My predictions:
Healer 100%, 90% chance it's a Chemist in some form.
90% chance at a caster dps, my monies on Geomancer.
Remaining 10% of a melee dps, possibly some new interpretation of Mystic Knight with a hammer.

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Originally Posted by Archwizard

If we're at the point of splitting hairs like so, then I think that's more because the Echo makes us exceptional, as canonically those with it can return to a fight after sustaining lethal damage several times over (just look at the Warriors of Darkness encounter in Heavensward, where they revive via the Echo every time you put them down).

Meanwhile all terminology referencing revival from "KO" includes statements like "returns all fallen party members back to life" (Cairn of Return), or straight up calls it Resurrection.



I think it's pretty arbitrary to choose now to limit a job by its tiny pre-existing reference pool, considering FF14's entire MO?

Scholar for instance was never a pet or summon class until 14, and was as much a hybrid caster as Red Mage; Summoner was never focused on DoTs and has more examples of using White Magic while substituting summons in place of attack spells; Dark Knight was frequently an HP-sacrificing damage-dealer through its Darkside ability; Bard and Dancer were support jobs instead of damage-dealers; Gunblade-wielders like Squall and Lightning were JoATs rather than being particularly tanky (and Lightning was even one of the squishiest members of her party, relying on evasion over damage mitigation); and if we take Astrologian as its own entity, it has nothing in common with its Tactics iteration, and much more in common with Time Mage and Gambler.
And yet, here we are, each one of these jobs having scratched out a new identity with 14 as a vehicle.

I understand that you're trying to find an example of Necromancer as being more of a classical damage role, but in terms of gaming it has always been a varied archetype due to the sheer flexibility of "manipulation of life and death" magic. You can very frequently find examples focused on vampirism or siphoning health from enemies, which generally has more utility in the hands of a meatshield tank or a substitute-healer.

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Except that life stealing aspect has always been a selfish form of recovery--something that heals the caster and no one else. With that in mind, it would make more sense for Necromancer to be a casting tank than a healer.

I understand what you're going on about with how not every job is a perfect replica of its past Final Fantasy representations, but I feel like you're taking those examples out of context. Summoner and Scholar are largely the way they are because of the decision to join them at the hip back when ARR was being developed. Their identities were both compromised to create the Arcanist that would link them both. There was actually plans to include a dedicated support role that would focus on buffs and debuffs, but was ultimately scrapped out of fear that not enough players would play Bard and that would elongate queue times even more. Moreover, Bard was adhered to Archer in 1.X because the role system there was far less strict, but moving that over to 2.X ultimately meant a lot of Bard's traditional identity had to be sacrificed. Dancer is the most support heavy job in the game next to AST. I'll agree that it's always been more debuff focused than buff focused, but seeing as how this game is designed, creating a debuff heavy job that doesn't break things is very challenging, so I understand why the compromise had to be made there. They were even given Cure Waltz to call back to their relatively frequent ability to heal.

Gunbreaker is not a traditional job and stems from 2 Final Fantasy titles that had either no job system, or an incredibly lax one (in which Lightning actually made for a very good dodge tank once Sentinel gets unlocked for her--arguably better than Snow at the role). In fact, you can see that despite this, the design team tried to hold true to specifically Squall's rendition of the gunblade with many attacks being directly named after his limit breaks. I have no idea why you decided to bring up AST though since that's never actually been a fully fledged job in any Final Fantasy until 14. In Tactics, Astrologian is not a real class, but a pseudo class that has only 1 unique ability, Celestial Stasis, which influences the name of AST's LB3 in 14. Saying that it has nothing to do with it's tactics iteration makes no sense whatsoever.

Lastly, we can look at how in other examples, Square is very adamant about holding true to a particular job's fantasy. They refuse to give White Mage any form of support since that's not the traditional fantasy of a classic White Mage. Red Mage was given a melee combo and Vercure/Verraise specifically to ensure that it held true to its origins. Hell, just look at Blue Mage. They were so unwilling to diverge Blue Mage from it's origins that they decided to make it a mini game rather than an actual job solely so that it can learn spells from overworld enemies, most of which are gimmicky nonsense like Doom and Level 5 Petrify.

At the very least, each job that has diverged from its original source material is at least playing within the same realm of its initial design--The Summoner job by itself is a damage dealing spellcaster with heavy burst damage; Scholar is typically supportive, though not a potent healer; Bard has at least typically had some form of burst damage even in FF3 (where it literally has a song that deals % damage, including to bosses), and if we take Bard for what it more accurately is: Ranger, then it makes even more sense having actions that hail back to the Ranger such as Barrage; Dancer has always done a little of everything.

Saying that we should take a job that is defined by its association with bad status conditions,death magic stronger than black magic, and selfish HP draining and turn that into a benevolent healer makes absolutely no sense.

Fine, you want a healing Necromancer? Go for it, but then I want an Assassin that's a tank because a job associated with stealth and fast, powerful damage should be a low DPS dodge tank, and then we should add Beastmaster, but we can make it a magic DPS and we'll say that they're just magically conjuring animals to attack.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

The entire PotD plotline is what makes me think Necromancer is never gonna happen.
We've seen what Necromancy means in Eorzea, and it's not something the WoL would ever get involved with.

Even the boss in the Heroes Gauntlet has clearly gone insane just like Edda.
Which btw, just like Ink Mage, Thief and Berserker, is another indication that it's not going to happen.
It'd be pretty awkward if an example of an alternate job on another shard suddenly becomes a real job.


My predictions:
Healer 100%, 90% chance it's a Chemist in some form.
90% chance at a caster dps, my monies on Geomancer.
Remaining 10% of a melee dps, possibly some new interpretation of Mystic Knight with a hammer.

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i support this, however until the drop the class system (means no more elementalist for the whm) geomancer futur is grim, but who know

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

i support this, however until the drop the class system (means no more elementalist for the whm) geomancer futur is grim, but who know

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I think it being different role is a decent caveat. We have SCH and SMN, so why not GEO as a dps?

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

Saying that we should take a job that is defined by its association with bad status conditions,death magic stronger than black magic, and selfish HP draining and turn that into a benevolent healer makes absolutely no sense.

Fine, you want a healing Necromancer? Go for it, but then I want an Assassin that's a tank because a job associated with stealth and fast, powerful damage should be a low DPS dodge tank, and then we should add Beastmaster, but we can make it a magic DPS and we'll say that they're just magically conjuring animals to attack.

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Not to get too sidetracked here by spending six paragraphs picking apart your argument line-by-line, but the difference between these is aesthetics versus mechanics.

The jobs you're referring to with regards to "original source material" are pulling their identities from the greatest hits amongst a dozen different entries.
By contrast, Necromancer itself as a playable job is only in one entry -- which is as much as we have for Astrologian and its 1 unique ability (which functions nothing like the LB3 and only shares the name), mind -- and was considered for another FF MMO in some form we never got to actually see executed. However, several of the concepts I mentioned, like a healer with access to Death magic (Urianger's Trust Avatar), use of hostile status conditions to reduce incoming damage, sacrificial healing and a number of survival-oriented undead status bonuses, do have isolated appearances throughout multiple entries or are already in XIV in some form, just inaccessible to raiders. The aesthetic of a Necromancer just ties the disparate floating elements together.

Now on the one hand, having an Assassin job be a tank is... not without precedent necessarily, since Ninja was exactly that for a time in XI, but an "Assassin" by definition is foremost a murderer, so an evasion tank would probably have another name, even if it used similar rogue-like aesthetics.
Mechanically, Beastmaster could maybe conjure animals to attack, though the game wouldn't have to necessarily specify it as "magical" to have that same type of effect when you push the button. Or if you still want it as a caster, just upgrade SMN because nobody's happy with it as a DoT caster right now.

In that same vein, while "Necromancer" is just as valid a term as any for the concept posed, I would happily accept not slapping the name "Necromancer" on a dark, life-leeching battle-healer job, because I care more about the mechanics and tangible impact on the game than I do about nomenclature and appearance. This is why I originally said I've been floating ideas "like" Necromancer, because I wouldn't be averse to something mechanically similar having a name like, oh, Witch Doctor -- which are an established part of Meracydian culture that we just haven't seen in person, and could also be an opportunity to fold in elements of the classic Chemist without having to rely on another failure of a Mix mechanic or creating confusion with Alchemist.

I mean after all, I'm just as happy to call FFXIV's Time Mage "Astrologian" as some people are to argue that they're two different things. At the end of the day, the game gets the representation and fills the gap.

Necromancer would fill in that Dark magic aesthetic that the game lacks. BLM and WHM utilize elemental magic for the most part. WHM/PLD have holy magic. BLM has the Xeno spells but are more aligned to pure non elemental force. Or maybe even Void magic.

RDM uses a mix of both BLM and WHM.

Closest we have to evil magic(aesthetically) in playable form is Dark Knight's instant casts that see little use. And maybe a few of the BLU spells.

Geomancer would be a safe DPS choice because it uses more of what we already have which is elemental spells based around natural disasters. And they use Bells to do that. If you want an overall idea on how GEO might play out in XIV you can take a look at the mooks in Swallow's Compass. Pretty much standard Geomancers.

If they want to take notes from FF5 they will probably consider that Necromancer was also a learning job like BLU and if integrated might make it a Limited Job Class.

But I do see potential in a Necro healer specifically doing damage to enemies which will be how they heal themselves and the party.

TLDR: Heal by dealing damage.

But eh I think we've talked about Necro long enough and we really are only focusing on it because of the most recent dungeon showcasing a WoL being a full on Necromancer which is unprecedented and a rare case.

On the other hand, Yoshi-P has said the latest MSQ included hints about the next job, and there was an out-of-place sequence about the girl wanting to be a potion healer. Given the years-long demand for Chemist it seems likely it will at least have influence on the next healer, if it isn't the full job.

That said, I hope it isn't "Chemist" outright.

As we well know, the iconic ability of Chemist was it's ability to Mix consumable items to create a unique effect of greater potency. The last attempt that was made at creating Chemist ended with it being split into AST (with the ability to "Mix" cards) and MCH (with its intended pistol and several chemical attacks).
I would be loathe to see the devs introduce a healer that recycled elements of an existing job, like AST cards or NIN mudras – and the difficulty with creating a unique or balanced Mix system was cited as the reason Chemist failed to see the light of day in the first place.

So the two main options I see are either "release Chemist without Mix" or "rehash of another job in an attempt to recreate Mix", which will leave everyone unsatisfied.

However, as I touched on before, there is a third option: sidestep the issue.
Do what they did with AST, and combine the elements of multiple jobs into something unique. Create something that is Chemist in aesthetic and role, but unique in ability so it doesn't need to be 100% faithful.
Which is another reason why I've been posing Meracydian Witch Doctor, as it not only gives space to compromise with the Battle Healer crowd, but allows the freedom to include the potion-tossing (the only aspect of the job that we know it has) without being limited by Chemist's interpretation.

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Originally Posted by Archwizard

On the other hand, Yoshi-P has said the latest MSQ included hints about the next job, and there was an out-of-place sequence about the girl wanting to be a potion healer. Given the years-long demand for Chemist it seems likely it will at least have influence on the next healer, if it isn't the full job.

That said, I hope it isn't "Chemist" outright.

As we well know, the iconic ability of Chemist was it's ability to Mix consumable items to create a unique effect of greater potency. The last attempt that was made at creating Chemist ended with it being split into AST (with the ability to "Mix" cards) and MCH (with its intended pistol and several chemical attacks).
I would be loathe to see the devs introduce a healer that recycled elements of an existing job, like AST cards or NIN mudras – and the difficulty with creating a unique or balanced Mix system was cited as the reason Chemist failed to see the light of day in the first place.

So the two main options I see are either "release Chemist without Mix" or "rehash of another job in an attempt to recreate Mix", which will leave everyone unsatisfied.

However, as I touched on before, there is a third option: sidestep the issue.
Do what they did with AST, and combine the elements of multiple jobs into something unique. Create something that is Chemist in aesthetic and role, but unique in ability so it doesn't need to be 100% faithful.
Which is another reason why I've been posing Meracydian Witch Doctor, as it not only gives space to compromise with the Battle Healer crowd, but allows the freedom to include the potion-tossing (the only aspect of the job that we know it has) without being limited by Chemist's interpretation.

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It will be Chemist and it will most likely be a combat medic aesthetic. I say this because leader of the Bojza resistance states that he was a combat medic healing with other means beyond magic. So coupled with the hint in the main story has highest chance of panning out.

Guess we'll know by the time they do the online fan fests.

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Originally Posted by Archwizard

and if we take Astrologian as its own entity, it has nothing in common with its Tactics iteration, and much more in common with Time Mage and Gambler.

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Astro in Tactics just spammed Galaxy Stop (now known as Celestial Stasis). The ff14 devs took the job and built it into what it is today--by fleshing it out more. Not sure that you can limit them by building on a good idea, especially one that exists in their lore.

And since I'm on the topic of minor classes that could come to this game in a distant future, would love to have FFVI's General Leo's class (you control him for like a hot minute). Which is General? He had shock and melee weapons, but I'm sure that can be fleshed out with more abilities and if they wanted to add something thats melee and fights with lighting.

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Originally Posted by Kesey

Astro in Tactics just spammed Galaxy Stop (now known as Celestial Stasis). The ff14 devs took the job and built it into what it is today--by fleshing it out more. Not sure that you can limit them by building on a good idea, especially one that exists in their lore.

And since I'm on the topic of minor classes that could come to this game in a distant future, would love to have FFVI's General Leo's class (you control him for like a hot minute). Which is General? He had shock and melee weapons, but I'm sure that can be fleshed out with more abilities and if they wanted to add something thats melee and fights with lighting.

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Shock is a classic Knight/Paladin skill, it's used by Steiner and Beatrix too.
General Leo is just a watered down PLD.

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Originally Posted by Kesey

It will be Chemist and it will most likely be a combat medic aesthetic. I say this because leader of the Bojza resistance states that he was a combat medic healing with other means beyond magic. So coupled with the hint in the main story has highest chance of panning out.

Guess we'll know by the time they do the online fan fests.

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Well the girl specifically refers to the job as "Apothecary" and not Chemist, which could just be the same thing with a different name or perhaps a slightly different take on the concept.

Also, while on the topic of one off classes, I would love to see FF6's Pictomancer, aka Relm and her ability to sketch monsters. Fleshing out the concept as an art mage of sorts would also mean that the Ink Mages of the Hero's Gauntlet could be the hint as well.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Shock is a classic Knight/Paladin skill, it's used by Steiner and Beatrix too.
General Leo is just a watered down PLD.

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Fair. I've never had the chance to play Final Fantasy 9.

Bozja vagueness.

So with info we now have in regards to a certain zone being filled with a certain class that hasn’t been implemented yet.

And the poster boy for the class having a unique model one handed axe and shield (while I cannot be sure about the rest other than they also use the weapon type) I think we can put to rest the melee vs “creating a new mid range” vs ranged argument for the next limited job.

Chemist = Healer
Geomancer = Caster DPS

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Originally Posted by BasicBlake

Bozja vagueness.

So with info we now have in regards to a certain zone being filled with a certain class that hasn’t been implemented yet.

And the poster boy for the class having a unique model one handed axe and shield (while I cannot be sure about the rest other than they also use the weapon type) I think we can put to rest the melee vs “creating a new mid range” vs ranged argument for the next limited job.

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RIP Whip, boys.

Now it'll just be a question of whose armor it borrows. I would guess probably MNK based on how little the poster boy wears, though fingers crossed for NIN since there's basically no other job option for Scouting gear.

Granting if it uses a shield, a Limited Tank isn't off the table either...

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Originally Posted by BasicBlake

Bozja vagueness.

So with info we now have in regards to a certain zone being filled with a certain class that hasn’t been implemented yet.

And the poster boy for the class having a unique model one handed axe and shield (while I cannot be sure about the rest other than they also use the weapon type) I think we can put to rest the melee vs “creating a new mid range” vs ranged argument for the next limited job.

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That's TOO much foreshadowing in Bozja for BST not to be a near future job, whether limited or not.

Then I'm also betting on an Apotechary healer... They still got 2 major content patches to fill in with stuff, so maybe we'll get a hint on that as well.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

That's TOO much foreshadowing in Bozja for BST not to be a near future job, whether limited or not.

Then I'm also betting on an Apotechary healer... They still got 2 major content patches to fill in with stuff, so maybe we'll get a hint on that as well.

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They usually DO start teasing a new job around this time in the patching cycles, except nin got implemented in the .4 mark i believe. Havent touched bozja yet, but i could see BST as a believable job. Any idea what kind of attacks or armor they show it using/doing? Could still be a phys ranged with a caveat, or just simple melee. It wouldnt surprise me if they do actually get down to making BLU a non-limited caster by 6.4, considering theyre going to increase its xp cap in 5.4

probably end up with 4 tank 4(or 5) melee 3(or 4 ranged) 3(or 4 midway through next expansion/last half)full caster and 4 healers. RIP Mystic Knight then, at least for another expansion. Who knows what they will do by that time. After this following expansion it is literally past the 10 year goal post set for ARR. But considering the games success, i could see them doing at least another expansion past 6.0. Maybe next expansion there will be a G=Warrior mode, would be cool to have mecha pvp or exploration.

Its not gospel yet, but there seems to be at least a considerable amount of reasonability to think these 2 would be likely. Chemist and BST, though these could just be curve balls thrown at us, like MCH ended up being instead of Chemist.

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Originally Posted by ADVSS

They usually DO start teasing a new job around this time in the patching cycles, except nin got implemented in the .4 mark i believe. Havent touched bozja yet, but i could see BST as a believable job. Any idea what kind of attacks or armor they show it using/doing? Could still be a phys ranged with a caveat, or just simple melee. It wouldnt surprise me if they do actually get down to making BLU a non-limited caster by 6.4, considering theyre going to increase its xp cap in 5.4

probably end up with 4 tank 4(or 5) melee 3(or 4 ranged) 3(or 4 midway through next expansion/last half)full caster and 4 healers. RIP Mystic Knight then, at least for another expansion. Who knows what they will do by that time. After this following expansion it is literally past the 10 year goal post set for ARR. But considering the games success, i could see them doing at least another expansion past 6.0. Maybe next expansion there will be a G=Warrior mode, would be cool to have mecha pvp or exploration.

Its not gospel yet, but there seems to be at least a considerable amount of reasonability to think these 2 would be likely. Chemist and BST, though these could just be curve balls thrown at us, like MCH ended up being instead of Chemist.

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I firmly believe BST will be a limited job.

Reson is: pets, or rather, the inability of XIV's tech (aka sphagetti code) to fully support pet playstyle with regular jobs in duties, given the example on how far SMN's Egis got from a fully functional "true" pet system. They are practically on the verge of being completely deleted. Unless they have some sort of huge tech overhaul incoming, I can't really see it.

Instead, I think BST will inevitably fall into the Limited box, promoting a gameplay revolving on pet collection and pet combat. Basically a built-in pokemon style game. Now, how that actual playstyle is gonna be, I'm defnitely not sure, but the whole concept of pet collector/combat suits their idea of Limited Job much more than BLU, and if it's really the case, I hope they learned from its faults. I don't really have an issue on BLU as a limited job, but I do have many about the actual execution of the idea.

I hope it wields a whip!

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Originally Posted by Raikai

I firmly believe BST will be a limited job.

Reson is: pets, or rather, the inability of XIV's tech (aka sphagetti code) to fully support pet playstyle with regular jobs in duties, given the example on how far SMN's Egis got from a fully functional "true" pet system. They are practically on the verge of being completely deleted. Unless they have some sort of huge tech overhaul incoming, I can't really see it.

Instead, I think BST will inevitably fall into the Limited box, promoting a gameplay revolving on pet collection and pet combat. Basically a built-in pokemon style game. Now, how that actual playstyle is gonna be, I'm defnitely not sure, but the whole concept of pet collector/combat suits their idea of Limited Job much more than BLU, and if it's really the case, I hope they learned from its faults. I don't really have an issue on BLU as a limited job, but I do have many about the actual execution of the idea.

I hope it wields a whip!

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The main beastmaster has a unique model one handed axe and also wielding a shield. And the beastmaster in all the skirmishes and critical engagements are all wielding 1 handed axes, I don’t think they will be getting a whip.

Recent patches have put a pretty solid foundation under guesses for a Beastmaster Limited job wielding 1H Axes/Shields, and a potion-based healer (though its weapons and combat/healing style are still unknown).
So far nothing hinting at imminent plans for the other full job for next expansion... yet.

I guess it makes sense for BST to be a melee job from a design standpoint. SMN already covers the Ranged Pet Job niche, where a Melee Pet Job is a relatively underrepresented archetype. Plus whipping your pet repeatedly to get it to attack would get PETA swarming like flies on a pig. The shield is a bit sketchy though.

I've never had any doubts about BST being a Limited Job if it were ever to be released, for the exact same reasons given for why BLU ended up as a Limited Job: There would be no way to balance the job around giving players the ability to tame/train distinctive pets, because you can't possibly predict what pets the player will have tamed or selected before queuing for a dungeon, or how strong they are. Not in a programmatic way, at any rate.
You'd either run into players being asked "Why didn't you bring X pet?" "Because I don't HAVE that one yet!", or having all of the pets be reskins off a much more limited selection like SMN gets where the fundamental taming aspect of the identity is purely cosmetic.

That being said, I'm curious as to what BST gameplay would bring to the table for a Limited Job. I've heard some players suggest it would involve a training/breeding/ranching minigame where you level and stat-boost your pets, and others suggest you could train multiple "classes" of pet and then take a full party of them to solo dungeons... but the former sounds an awful lot like what we already have for Chocobos (or the Gold Saucer Chocobo Racing), while the latter just sounds like what we already have with Squadrons or Trusts.
Still, could be neat to be able to summon your own party out in the world while you're FATE-grinding, much like BLUs spamming massive AoEs and Death spells.

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Originally Posted by Archwizard

Recent patches have put a pretty solid foundation under guesses for a Beastmaster Limited job wielding 1H Axes/Shields, and a potion-based healer (though its weapons and combat/healing style are still unknown).
So far nothing hinting at imminent plans for the other full job for next expansion... yet.

I guess it makes sense for BST to be a melee job from a design standpoint. SMN already covers the Ranged Pet Job niche, where a Melee Pet Job is a relatively underrepresented archetype. Plus whipping your pet repeatedly to get it to attack would get PETA swarming like flies on a pig. The shield is a bit sketchy though.

I've never had any doubts about BST being a Limited Job if it were ever to be released, for the exact same reasons given for why BLU ended up as a Limited Job: There would be no way to balance the job around giving players the ability to tame/train distinctive pets, because you can't possibly predict what pets the player will have tamed or selected before queuing for a dungeon, or how strong they are. Not in a programmatic way, at any rate.
You'd either run into players being asked "Why didn't you bring X pet?" "Because I don't HAVE that one yet!", or having all of the pets be reskins off a much more limited selection like SMN gets where the fundamental taming aspect of the identity is purely cosmetic.

That being said, I'm curious as to what BST gameplay would bring to the table for a Limited Job. I've heard some players suggest it would involve a training/breeding/ranching minigame where you level and stat-boost your pets, and others suggest you could train multiple "classes" of pet and then take a full party of them to solo dungeons... but the former sounds an awful lot like what we already have for Chocobos (or the Gold Saucer Chocobo Racing), while the latter just sounds like what we already have with Squadrons or Trusts.
Still, could be neat to be able to summon your own party out in the world while you're FATE-grinding, much like BLUs spamming massive AoEs and Death spells.

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True that in both cases it wouldnt offer anything new, but it does mean those systems are in place. The other possibility could be far worse than either suggestion to the XI BST fans, but that system is in place as well: only have 3 or 4 pets based on roles, like the egi system, and focus on charming enemies/distracting them/pinning them down. Perhaps the collectable mini game would become like monster rancher, where as the gameplay is even less about tossing pokemon out? Not really a big fan of BST, as i assume it was XI's evolution of a job from 5 that just trapped one monster, held onto it for however long and then released it for a big attack in either the same battle or later battles.

I’d absolutely love the puppet master job. We literally have 17 jobs and 1 limited job in the game and only 2 of them are pet jobs. If they remove pets from summoners since it looks like they going the Demi primal route then we will have only 1 dedicated pet job and that’s scholar. We need a few more. I really hope we get puppet master. It was such a versatile job in final fantasy 11. I loved it. It seems BST is taking over though since many are people calling for it first. I really hope we get puppet master and not limited please.

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I have no idea why you decided to bring up AST though since that's never actually been a fully fledged job in any Final Fantasy until 14. In Tactics, Astrologian is not a real class, but a pseudo class that has only 1 unique ability, Celestial Stasis, which influences the name of AST's LB3 in 14. Saying that it has nothing to do with it's tactics iteration makes no sense whatsoever.

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Astrologian was introduced as a job in Bravely Second, which is part of the Bravely series (Spinoffs of FFIV). The game came out before HW and was in development before HW and the Astrologian in such had buff-focused gameplay so that could be the inspiration alongside time mage (which SB and HW ast had a lot of similarities to, not so much ShB ast). As well as the one reference to tactics with the limit break.

As for new jobs, well, Necro is indeed unlikely due to how it's treated lorewise, as you said. most likely healer is chemist at this point but the devs could throw a curveball and go another expac without a healer in the name of "fixing healers"

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That being said, I'm curious as to what BST gameplay would bring to the table for a Limited Job

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I've floated the idea of a Monster Arena a la X on the forums before, let me see if I can find it.

Edit: Found it, but forthe sake of avoiding necros I quest quote my OP

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For reference. The Monster Arena was a feature in X that allowed players to fight monsters, and it also tied to capturing mechanics in that game as that is how the bosses therein were gated (that and cross breeding)

I make this thread to ask if you would like something similar in this game and how would you envision it happening?

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I’d absolutely love the puppet master job. We literally have 17 jobs and 1 limited job in the game and only 2 of them are pet jobs. If they remove pets from summoners since it looks like they going the Demi primal route then we will have only 1 dedicated pet job and that’s scholar. We need a few more. I really hope we get puppet master. It was such a versatile job in final fantasy 11. I loved it. It seems BST is taking over though since many are people calling for it first. I really hope we get puppet master and not limited please.

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The biggest problem is not just about the decision of introducing a pet job to the normal jobs... but the fact that XIV never fixed the tech issues that comes with pets, hence why Egis were reduced to a shadow of their former "pet" selves.

Unless they change the tech behind pet responsiveness, I doubt we'll see a pet job for the main content.

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The biggest problem is not just about the decision of introducing a pet job to the normal jobs... but the fact that XIV never fixed the tech issues that comes with pets, hence why Egis were reduced to a shadow of their former "pet" selves.

Unless they change the tech behind pet responsiveness, I doubt we'll see a pet job for the main content.

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I think it has more to the effect that not many people were pleased with Egi's to begin with, and that the demi primals make them look and feel like utter garbage during a SMNs new full rotation. The system now is so stupid broken, you have to resummon ifrit after every single dungeon boss encounter or alliance raid encounter, or he gets stuck. That being said, Trusts can do proper mechanics(mostly) Squads can kind of burn multiple mobs down. Both are improvements on the initial Egi's that would get knocked back and just stand in aoes not doing anything till you commanded them 40 times. Personally, I never really thought of Summoner as a pet class. But BST most definitely could be. Egis auto attacking after a sic command, could generally just do just that, even if they stand in every aoe and lose loads of health

Not sure how Beastmaster will be implemented (although I know its the most likely limited job at this juncture). What I worry about is that each individual pet will need to be leveled as apposed to leveling the actual class.

If this is the case, I worry it will be more tedious and too great a time investment for the best "pets". As each potential Beastmaster update will also widen the gap.

I guess what I'm saying, is we should be warry despite the hype, because it could be huge grind for what boils down to side content.

I think Beastmasters works better as a Limited job. I envision a system were the player commands the pet in a Old School RPG Monster Battle style system. It's open world solo, no BS Dungeon or Trails like BLU was. End game is the ability to duel players and a coliseum type battle.

As for Geomancer, I would like to see it as a Caster who's gameplay revolves around the element wheel.

https://i.imgur.com/BwOFDqC.png

Whatever it is, it better be a new healer. That's all I have to say.

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As for Geomancer, I would like to see it as a Caster who's gameplay revolves around the element wheel.

https://i.imgur.com/BwOFDqC.png

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We do have some backstory on Geomancer as of Stormblood, since they're playing a bit closer to the Fengshui theme of the job than the environment-focused caster of previous games.
Kyokuho is known by the title "of the Wind and Water" and discusses the "flow" of Geomancy, in addition to using variations on Aero and Stone, while the Swallow's Compass instance opens with chambers devoted to Earth, Water and Wind. I think we can say those will probably be its main elements, though I wouldn't write off Fire either (since Swallow's Compass ends in the "Heart of the Dragon").

It seems possible the job would be either based on totemic effects (in part because of FF11 doing so, in part because of Kyokuho's storyline about the Geomantic wards throughout Kugane), or on some kind of summoning (as all the Geomancers in Swallow's Compass can summon adds). I'm sure SMN mains wouldn't be too happy if they did go the latter route, of course, unless it was only as deep as MCH's pets.

Personally I'd be happy to see it be a job focused on creating terrain effects and controlling enemy positioning, like using Tornado to gather a wide number of enemies in one spot and Flood to create a continuous environmental hazard. It could be a potential take on a DoT caster if it was about creating similar environmental effects, like using the aforementioned totems. Toss in the ability to place safe-zones to teleport to similar to BLM's Between the Lines for a bit of the ol' razzle dazzle.

Alternately, a stance-based caster focused on balancing three elemental phases, using each element in succession to increase an enemy's vulnerability to the next in the cycle, with each phase having a different rotation. Build up to a final Fire finisher by the end -- a volcanic eruption, perhaps -- sort of like Polyglot or Apex Arrow?