Dedicated Thread for Patch 2.55 Story Discussion/Spoilers

Need to rewatch it, but I feel like some somes music just didn't match with what's going on, especially the last scene with Yshtola and Thancred

Hildi will get to the bottom of this. Seriously. 3.0 is all about Hildi righting the wrongs.

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Originally Posted by Jamyl_Sarum

Hildi will get to the bottom of this. Seriously. 3.0 is all about Hildi righting the wrongs.

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Would make sense. He and Urianger go way back.

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Originally Posted by Matrinka

I'm grasping at straws here but... some things just don't add up for me how everything went down.

I'm very suspicious of the Sultana's death. She confided in the Warrior of Light as if she KNEW she was about to disappear off the face of the earth. "I need you to take care of Raubahn."

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Considering her personality, she probably just meant that she will be powerless and useless to really do anything and she wants you to help Raubahn since you aren't powerless and useless.

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Originally Posted by Jinglybell

strategy on the steps of faith fight, mild spoilers!
http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/3-31-2015/VM8kqZ.gif

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Oh man, I laughed so hard at this.

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Originally Posted by Fated

Considering her personality, she probably just meant that she will be powerless and useless to really do anything and she wants you to help Raubahn since you aren't powerless and useless.

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The only thing about that is though, the 2.5 storylines have never made us feel more useless in the grand scheme of things. I really didn't need my jazz hands of light before I got 'em to be able to take down baddies (or even after for that matter), why am I suddenly only able to look emotionless and constipated in every CS?

I think that's what irritates me the most about this wrap-up for 2.0. Essentially, all this work, for nothing. Everyone's "dead", evil or can't help themselves, the way things stand right now. Not that I was terribly disappointed to see Minfilia get washed down the drain...

Dear Devs,
Thank you. Just Thank you. You gave me the feels and gave me some great and awesome memories. I'm looking forward to Heavensward.
-Nazli Harr

I just beat the game!!!..... ?

I see alot of plot holes(Or are they...), but seeing as its an FF game I have faith in SE. They probably have a plan that, when we stand back and look after, will blow your minds! They have always been good about this sort of thing.....cept that one time**cough ff10 cough**
The 2 storys have to work together considering you cant do 3.0 story until ARR story is completed. They wouldnt want to spoil the real ending by making 3.0 a side by side story line!

**edit!**

THAT MOMENT LB3 BECOMES AOE!!! (Yda)

And if you havent yet, go to Coerthas and ride around on magitek mount O_O

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Originally Posted by Fenral

There may already be some supporting lore. Could be nothing, could be really important.

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He's going to rule U'ldah...just watch. His hair says it all.

Thank you, SE. It was overwhelming - I'm still overwhelmed way too much. So, excuse my jumbled-up first thoughts. It was great too. The overall transition to the move to Ishgard is actually well done. The details though... the passivity and silence of our character really needs to change. I mean, for Menphina's sake, this is a roleplaying game. And the player characters themselves have no personality, no voice whatsoever. It just needs to change. Raubahn turning into a right badass mofo was bloody awesome, and seeing Teledji slain was a much needed and very well placed piece of resolve just there. What I'm not at all convinced about though, is the fact that with the powers the Scions wield, they need to go and sacrifice them because of a few common soldiers. So, you better bring them back. Please.

On a personal sidenote, I'm very much relieved Alphinaud's safe. Thank you for that. I know many hate him, but he's my precious. @.@ (Can we get a wind-up Alphi minion now please?) Oh and putting Answers in the end credits was downright cruel. The stress relief after everything's revealed is far too great anyway, and I've never been able to just simply listen to that song without crying.......... @.@



(CHARACTER LIMIT NEEDS TO AFTER NANAMO PLEASE, I'M BEING PUNISHED AGAIN FOR A MERE 60 CHARS PLUS AGAIN.)

Discussion about the end of the storyline with myself, Eskalia from Limit Break Radio and Eliot Lefebvre of Massively OverPowered

Video Here

I finished the story line and I must say... I really hate you guys at SE! D:<

Why Nanamo!? Why!? She was one of my favorite characters! From a story standpoint, I kinda get why the writers did that but come on! This game is turning into Game of Thrones. -_- I'm glad that at least they killed that Lala bastard though, and I always knew about Uriangier, he always seemed shady to me.

Other than that, nice work, kinda looking forward to the story in the expansion, plus I love Tataru now. :P

*Nanamo

might NOT be dead, what she drank was just a tranquilizer, maybe her hand maiden faked her death to save her?... but most likely i think she is dead.

*Scions

no dead body = not dead.

*Urianger

maybe not shady or evil, it seems like "he was summoned" and it didnt look like he was pleased about it. Urianger might have answered the whitey's earlier discussion about diplomacy and thought he had no choice now except to go to him.

*Teldiji Adelji

(w/e his name) might just taken advantage(bc he is a greedy Ahole like that) of the situation... and not the mastermind(but got the vengeance of Raubhan's blade)... maybe Lolorito was the main man or maybe he was Ascian too? but why was he not pleased at the end, even though it looked like everything happened in his favour? maybe he is being controlled (not literally) by Ascians and felt like what happened was way too much?.

*Ending shot of your character standing in front of the Gates of Judgement > Beginning of the Heavensward trailer.

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Originally Posted by QuinceTaru

inb4 Raubahn gets a mechanical arm and is leader of machinist guild!

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Full Metal Raubahn!

So... after all, Is nanamo dead or not?

http://i.imgur.com/gsUkSM7.jpg

Now, is that Lolorito's cover story? or is she really alive?2

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Originally Posted by AlexionSkylark

So... after all, Is nanamo dead or not?

http://i.imgur.com/gsUkSM7.jpg

Now, is that Lolorito's cover story? or is she really alive?2

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It's a cover story told to keep people from going absolutely apesh*t.

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Originally Posted by RedAntares

I finished the story line and I must say... I really hate you guys at SE! D:<

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Add me to the hate list, the meeting, Goblet, maiden holding the bottle all cliché.. from the first glance I knew that will happen..

Now for original thing to happen is that I hope that Lolorito was behind the death-faking idea.. for whatever reason

But bring back Nanamo... I think she is not dead but will take a long way to get back to the lights.. (I hope).

Some thoughts about what happened

I liked a lot the Tataru story line, and since Tataru's crying image was so commented I think we all expected to have some very bad news with him. An anticlimax part. Tataru did put a strange evil face in some moment of the story later.

About the scions, I also think they will probably be alive. The ones who look in more danger are Thancred and Yshtola if the tunnel falls on top of them because of Yshtola's attack. The rest might just be caught. But it may be also they disappear from the main story for the time being, and they can be recovered later when the story turns back to Ul Dah and they can be liberated. Let's see.


About Nanamo, I thought she was being poisoned maybe by some slow poison in several doses, since Raubahn already had noticed she didn't feel well and wasn't acting completely as herself. That instant poison was a surprise. Let's see how that part of the story is solved.

By how the story ends it seems like if we would start in Ishgard from scratch or nearly. Alphinaud work is in great part lost, the Scions seem to be in great part disbanded etc. If the new storyline is centered mainly in Ishgard, maybe not too many things will happen in Ul Dah and it is kept in a sort of provisional situation.

But the Ascians and the Empire are alive and kicking so Eorzea should still be the center of the story, even if we will have a lot of new land to explore in Ishgard and quests to do. There are plans made for the long term of the story, so it might be that Heavensward part of the story is centered in Ishgard and further expansions may be centered back in Eorzea as a whole.

It also seems to me too many pending things, a cliffhanger to make us want to see what happens later. In a TV series you might want to be able to "kill" any character if the contract agreements don't go well, but in a videogame it is not like that, so you don't need to end a season with lots of characters in the risk of death.

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Originally Posted by JonBigwood

But the Ascians and the Empire are alive and kicking so Eorzea should still be the center of the story, even if we will have a lot of new land to explore in Ishgard and quests to do. There are plans made for the long term of the story, so it might be that Heavensward part of the story is centered in Ishgard and further expansions may be centered back in Eorzea as a whole.

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Ishgard is a city state in Eorzea like Ul'dah, Gridania, and Limsa. It is not a new world, just a new land.

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Originally Posted by Nikita

I think I know the question on everyone's mind...

Is Pipin really adopted?

Hmmmmm!

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Raubahn plowed the living hell out of nanamo :O

Having an unconscious-due-to poisoning of Nanamo will work in the favor of the syndicate.

Since she's not yet dead, they'll assign somebody to rule (Lolorito?) while she "recuperates" that said person can then consolidate as much power and eliminate the opposition and make laws to pretty much make themselves the sultan. Or find somebody else in the Ul line.

Why do we have to put HB tags for a thread called Story Discussion/Spoiler? Seems redundant.

I think the story is poor, your character is reduced to a nodding buffoon doing whatever someone tells you. How are you supposed to get any sense of heroism if others make all your choices?

I think some people misunderstood the first post.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Speaking of spoilers… I’m sure everyone will be super excited to talk about everything that happens, but we'd appreciate it very much if you can hold off on posting any spoilers on the forums. If you just can't hold it back and need to talk to someone about what you experienced, then please use this thread to discuss the main scenario quests in Patch 2.55.

Naturally, we aren't going to prohibit you from talking about Patch 2.55 content in other threads, but if major spoilers are posted without any warning or care, we will be removing these posts and/or threads.

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Mega spoilers! Oh, man, I can't believe it!

Bayohne is actually a real-life Ascian!

Finally, please give the same care and consideration when posting about the content outside of the forums on social networking sites and such. Thank you all for your cooperation!

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as you can see, he is asking us to put the HB tags in posts containing spoilers other than this thread. what makes more sense though is to only post in threads that say [spoilers] rather than that.

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Originally Posted by myahele

Having an unconscious-due-to poisoning of Nanamo will work in the favor of the syndicate.

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This depends on how far Lolorito and the Lady in waiting were in on the plan compared to Teledj who believed he was the mastermind of it all.

Teledj would most likely kill the Sultana, Lolorito would potentially use it as leverage to incapacitate her.

Lolorito wanted to eliminate Teledj, so saying that the Sultana was killed and having Teledj be the fall man favored him because he knew how Raubahn would react to the situation.

With Teledj dead Lolorito has more control over claiming Carteneau. With that in mind he has no reason to kill the Sultana in those circumstances however because of how things have turned out a huge power struggle is now occuring.

Scions get blamed so that the "crystal braves" could be used as a puppet army to fight for "the syndicate" but under the guise of the scion, making their negative actions impact the integrity of the Scions.

Capturing the Scions would of served the purpose of allowing them to hide them from the public eye and make excuse that they were causing the Crystal Braves to do what they are doing

Crystal Braves and Brass Blades enter Carteneau, Grida, LL, Ulda fighting for their sides but unknown to them CB and BB are working for the Syndicate. The power struggle for the land weakens the three forces and the Syndicate lays the killing blow to claim the territory.

If that's Lolorito's true goal then yes, Sultana could still be alive if he was in control of the poison that the lady is waiting used on her.

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Originally Posted by melflomil

Raubahn plowed the living hell out of nanamo :O

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Actually, that could be an interesting plot, but I don't think that 's the case. I think he's from the royal line but would be weird if he was Nanamo's and Rau's son.

Can they even have a child if they are from different races? :O

Looks like Failstrom and Badders really lived up to their names on this one… Nice to see your true cowardly colours, GC leaders. One day I'll crush your very souls by mine own hand! People say that the results of this meeting caused many adventurers to flee the Flames, but for me, if anything, the events that transpired have further rooted my support of General Raubahn. One day I'll free him from his cage and the Bull will be let loose on those turn-coat politicians and would-be matadors, with me as his left arm. By fire be purged!

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Originally Posted by Airget

SNIP.

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That's kinda what I was thinking. With the Crystal Braves under the control of the Syndicate (Trolorito) This will give them an advantage in Cartenau.

Who knows, maybe this will give a lore explanation to get rid of the GC restrictions, since now its the GCs vs Syndicate

Just finished this storyline and while I LOVED it, the passivity of my character bothered me a bit. SE, please look at how Bioware gives your MMO character some choices in SWtOR. It doesn't have to be anything dramatic, but a few choices to change the course of a cutscene (even if the outcome is the same or not significantly different) would enhance the roleplaying aspect.

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Originally Posted by Archadius

Looks like Failstrom and Badders really lived up to their names on this one… Nice to see your true cowardly colours, GC leaders. One day I'll crush your very souls by mine own hand! People say that the results of this meeting caused many adventurers to flee the Flames, but for me, if anything, the events that transpired have further rooted my support of General Raubahn. One day I'll free him from his cage and the Bull will be let loose on those turn-coat politicians and would-be matadors, with me as his left arm. By fire be purged!

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Reactions like this make me wonder if people realize just how *badly* things would have gone if either of the leaders had interfered. Maybe not in the short term, but in the long run it'd have basically given the Syndicate proof that the other leaders were actively plotting against Ul'dah, shattering the alliance completely. They *can't* get directly involved in the internal affairs of Ul'dah without repercussions. Politics just don't work like that. They'd have to kill or cowl every person in that room to keep it from getting out, and they'd *still* need a fall guy/girl to stop the rumors from spreading to the point where it is an issue.

They did the right thing. Whether you agree with it or not is another story, but calling them cowards is just showing that you don't have a grasp of the larger picture.

I wonder if this is Nidhogg? This dragon is displayed prominently in promos. It also has 4 eyes and the DRG af has 4 eyes.

http://wallnoy.com/wp-content/upload...llpaper_30.jpg

I am more interested in WHY missing an eye makes him so weak?

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Originally Posted by myahele

I wonder if this is Nidhogg? This dragon is displayed prominently in promos. It also has 4 eyes and the DRG af has 4 eyes.

http://wallnoy.com/wp-content/upload...llpaper_30.jpg

I am more interested in WHY missing an eye makes him so weak?

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Yea I totally agree. I'm sure that he is Nidhogg.

So in this last TT tournament, I won 2 platinum cards. I opened both and got 2 Nanamo cards. Way to go SE, twist that dagger some more.

when I reviewing my photos, I found this:
http://i.imgur.com/4e62CmS.jpg
this is a cropped photo that I took from a banner @ Fan Fest, Las Vegas last year. It was located at a quiet corner next to the EX primal challenge.

I still have some faith on him tho...

must be the white robe guy: come here or I'll kill your captured friends.

I'm going to burn you, Urianger >"<

Did no one ever notice the NPC that says..

"I heard they're plotting an assassination on the Sultana!" He's whispering it to someone.

I thought people would of noticed him way before the patch, sadly not.

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Originally Posted by HulveinBlitz

Did no one ever notice the NPC that says..

"I heard they're plotting an assassination on the Sultana!" He's whispering it to someone.

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Of course, I knew about that ncp long ago.

My guess is they discovered the Sultana's plan through the handmaiden and realised she had to be removed quickly. Setting things up to shut us down was just two birds with one stone. If the Monetarists are after Omega weapon they probably would have guessed we wouldn't be willing to let them have or use it.

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

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How badly things COULD have gone. Interference does not have to mean all-out slaughter. The fact that Kan-E-Senna was running off screen before the camera could even pan in that direction, and that Merlwyb uttered nothing more than a curse under her breath (not even directed at any of the perpetrators mind you) is downright appauling. We as a group, the GC leaders, the Scions, the Warrior of Light... WE are the Eorzean Alliance, NOT the Monetarists of Ul'dah. There would be no shattering of that alliance if action was taken, as all the leaders were present in that very room. You forget that this alliance was forged with the purpose of not only unity, but power. There were a lot of significant people in that room who hold a great deal of respect and authority with their own nations as well as the allied ones. These aren't just people off the street who were invited to a party here... There was little to stop the group from resisting and forcing the others into custody themselves, then making a case against the consipirators to present to the people of Ul'dah as well as the rest of the Syndicate (both of which to be honest, hate the Monetarists anyways and would more than likely side with us).

"The right thing" is quite a stretch in this situation.

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Originally Posted by Archadius

How badly things COULD have gone. Interference does not have to mean all-out slaughter. The fact that Kan-E-Senna was running off screen before the camera could even pan in that direction, and that Merlwyb uttered nothing more than a curse under her breath (not even directed at any of the perpetrators mind you) is downright appauling. We as a group, the GC leaders, the Scions, the Warrior of Light... WE are the Eorzean Alliance, NOT the Monetarists of Ul'dah. There would be no shatteringof that alliance if action was taken, as all the leaders were present in that very room. You forget that this alliance was forged with the purpose of not only unity, but power. There were a lot of significant people in that room who hold a great deal of respect and authority with their own nations as well as the allied ones. These aren't just people off the street who were invited to a party here... There was little to stop the group from resisting and forcing the others into custody themselves, then making a case against the consipirators to present to the people of Ul'dah as well as the rest of the Syndicate (both of which to be honest, hate the Monetarists anyways and would more than likely side with us).

"The right thing" is quite a stretch in this situation.

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Taking any physical action against the Monetarists would be the equivalent of an attack on the lawful leaders of Ul'dah by foreign powers. Even Rhabaun's actions were illegal as he killed a syndicate member without any proof of illegal activity. While the Monetarists may not be popular, the other GC leaders getting involved would be the equivalent from a public viewpoint of foreign powers setting up a leader. Rumors alone would leave that leader in a tenuous position rife for civil unrest as they could easily be painted as a foreign puppet. Do remember as well the public just discovered that the second highest ranking Immortal Flame was a Garlean spy.

More to the point the brass blades and the Crystal Braves were both in the Monetarists pocket with the Immortal Flames only having a token force in Ul'dah. Even if the other GC leaders got involved it would be that handful of people against the entire military power in the city. A civil war would almost certainly be assured. The Brass Blades are the police force of Ul'dah and without them the Immortal Flames would be hard pressed to handle maintaining the peace, even if they could be disbanded. There is no way force in that situation could have ended well and frankly probably would have played even more into the Monetarists hands. The Eorzean Alliance would be as good as dead in the water as at best Ul'dah would likely be crippled.

In the end the only solution is for the truth to come out and that requires proof. In a game of politics, brute force will often end in disaster.

OMG! someone is missing and didn't stand with us since long time ago! One we know is KOed on the field...

http://i.imgur.com/vjM9E2X.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ZRITQ8G.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/VmPGDY0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Tr7a4mE.jpg

@Deli
Where did you get that screenshot?