[Feedback] Wuk Lamat's English Voice

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Originally Posted by Karious

Of course there's not going to be any developer response. This is an English forum. The English mods, if they even read these posts are going to go "lol they're being problematic again" and just tell the Japanese side that everything is fine and that everyone LOVES what the English dubbing. As a consumer your opinion literally doesn't matter because people higher up hold the power.

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So you made a post to complain, and then say it doesn't matter anyway.


And besides, there would have to be a lot more than like, 10 upset people on the forums to make changes that drastic.

It took a few people complaining on the forums for them to completely change the Gunbreaker SFX two weeks after ShB launch and made it objectively worse.

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

Source: your backside.

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You're literally doing the same thing.

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Not enough of them to affect change.

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So no one should ever point out quality issues ever unless its guaranteed to change something?

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Calling for trans VA to take on roles is not illegal or problematic.

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"visible trans woman in anime & video games is still played by a cis woman who has shown no signs of ever stepping down" or "This is an endemic state of the VO industry."

That's not a call to take on roles, that's a call to as you've said, "oust" them.

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no coverage of this criticism anywhere, no developer statements, no one in voice acting commenting, etc.

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And this is where you go off the rails. You said other opinions do not exist but every time you attempt to dismiss them. You say that devs and VA community isn't complaining but why should they complain to begin with? It's the consumers who are impacted, it's the consumers right to complain. It's like saying a chef spit on your burger but its not a big deal because a restaurant across town isn't complaining about it and no food reviewer commented on it... Then the customers complain and you just say "well negative comments are more common so w/e". It's absolutely asinine you think random devs and other VA should weight in on this to warrant consumers complaining about the voice. I honestly think you're drunk when you made this comment.

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is her accent a real accent or not? You guys flip flop like tuna on this subject. Which real accent is it?

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Do you think the game director just created an accent for a VA to learn? Have they done that with ANY VA in the past? No. She's poorly mimicking a real world accent. No one here has flip flopped, a bad accent is a bad accent, period. If you want to call it a brand new and fictional accent, then go ahead but guess what? That's still a bad accent.

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If you don't want her ousted then js your ultimate goal to let us know you don't like the VA? If so ignore my ramblings I should have said "See you in DawnTrail lol".

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Nearly everyones goal is to have a higher quality VA work on DT release, whether that is through an unlikely replacement (because we all know her lines are already recorded this close to the release date) or her self improvement (also unlikely because she clearly isn't accepting criticism). The most likely result would be for higher quality control on the next hire so poor performing VA don't make it past the audition stage.

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I can always tell when my post has triggered someone. It's all the quotes. Like...why.

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Hate to tell you this but it's because you're incredibly incoherent and can't keep an argument straight. You cycle through a dozen excuses and random arguments when you're replying to a singular point. It says "triggered" more for you than it does me because only agitated people reply like that. I'm giving you the courtesy of replying specifically to all and using quotes to make it neat and quite frankly, readable. You're welcome.

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Originally Posted by Karious

Of course there's not going to be any developer response. This is an English forum. The English mods, if they even read these posts are going to go "lol they're being problematic again" and just tell the Japanese side that everything is fine and that everyone LOVES what the English dubbing. As a consumer your opinion literally doesn't matter because people higher up hold the power.

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They do read the posts. They've been active recently. That's how your thread was brought back. Of course, mods moderating doesn't mean anyone who has pull with the devs is listening to NA feedback. It was a common problem and still is with FFXI as well.

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Originally Posted by Troxbark

Hate to tell you this but it's because you're incredibly incoherent and can't keep an argument straight. You cycle through a dozen excuses and random arguments when you're replying to a singular point. It says "triggered" more for you than it does me because only agitated people reply like that. I'm giving you the courtesy of replying specifically to all and using quotes to make it neat and quite frankly, readable. You're welcome.

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You just took my post as 100% addressed to you and that's your issue. I did not say it's not OK to have an opinion that the VA is bad. I said if your goal is to get her ousted by talking about tweets, that doesn't seem to be going well. Typically when people get "canceled" it picks up some kind of traction by third parties and this objectively has not happened even given a couple of weeks. As 7.0 gets closer and closer the likelihood of her being removed continues to decline.

If you want my thoughts on simply disliking the VA and having no particular agenda...You can look through all the posts and clearly see in this thread it's very mixed, with mostly neutral and positive reactions. There's no clear majority either way, and imo that would be necessary to see change in this area. My very first post that was not quoting you makes it clear I never said everyone liked the performance. Yet here you are getting yourself all riled up. I'm talking about people who want her fired, if that isn't you then don't worry so much about it.

I think you are projecting about alcohol because you don't even understand what I am saying. I said a negative thread is going to naturally garner more attention because of negativity bias-- that does not mean every post in it is going to negative, hence just because people are drawn to a negative thead thread for dicussion does not prove that discussion all skews negative. You have to look at the posts.

And if the accent is real, you failed to answer the question. So you're hating on it based on what? The dev has to tell you what the accent is inspired by for you to know it's wrong...ie we just don't know enough yet.

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Originally Posted by Karious

It took a few people complaining on the forums for them to completely change the Gunbreaker SFX two weeks after ShB launch and made it objectively worse.

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It's a lot easier to do this and doesn't involve a human person's employment, rerecording, training, or the SE ethics department. As far as them not doing anything with Sena, if you believe she is untouchable then what is the point of complaining at all?

Basically I just feel that, there are people who dislike the performance but the level of consistency and the quality of the criticisms indicate to me that a portion of the negative feedback is actually driven by something deeper, whether thats the actor herself or something else. There are numerous voices I don't like in the story personally, but they don't piss me off or drive me to boycott the product or something. Even in cases where people do express negativity, it's often "it's bad, it's inconsistent", yet I have not seen any comparisons like an actor they should have used, specific quotes that are off, which real world accent she is imitating with a linked audio example, etc. There's no real effort behind most of the criticisms.

And when I say boycott I mean-- implying she should be fired, threatening to switch to JP audio only, asking to set the audio for dub by character.

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

You just took my post as 100% addressed to you and that's your issue. I did not say it's not OK to have an opinion that the VA is bad. I said if your goal is to get her ousted by talking about tweets, that doesn't seem to be going well. Typically when people get "canceled" it picks up some kind of traction by third parties and this objectively has not happened even given a couple of weeks. As 7.0 gets closer and closer the likelihood of her being removed continues to decline.

If you want my thoughts on simply disliking the VA and having no particular agenda...You can look through all the posts and clearly see in this thread it's very mixed, with mostly neutral and positive reactions. There's no clear majority either way, and imo that would be necessary to see change in this area. My very first post that was not quoting you makes it clear I never said everyone liked the performance. Yet here you are getting yourself all riled up. I'm talking about people who want her fired, if that isn't you then don't worry so much about it.

I think you are projecting about alcohol because you don't even understand what I am saying. I said a negative thread is going to naturally garner more attention because of negativity bias-- that does not mean every post in it is going to negative, hence just because people are drawn to a negative thead thread for dicussion does not prove that discussion all skews negative. You have to look at the posts.

And if the accent is real, you failed to answer the question. So you're hating on it based on what? The dev has to tell you what the accent is inspired by for you to know it's wrong...ie we just don't know enough yet.

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"the post isn't 100% directed towards you", then don't reply directly to me, lol.

At this point you're writing quite a bit again for something as simple as "I can't explain my argument".

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Originally Posted by Troxbark

"the post isn't 100% directed towards you", then don't reply directly to me, lol.

At this point you're writing quite a bit again for something as simple as "I can't explain my argument".

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https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6412096

Yes, my original post that you quoted was not addressed to you. And it's not that I can't explain my arguments, it's that you jumped into the discussion and did not understand what I was saying.

On the subject of firing, this is just from randomly clicking around:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6405237

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6405258

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6406589

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6407669

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6409225

I'd also note a lot of this thread is about the performance being good, being "fine", improving with time, debates over the state of Twitter, debates over how much the director matters, debates over what is transphobic and what isn't. And even if only 1 person called for or implied she should be fired, I would still be justified in noting that it isn't going to happen.

In summary:

- I never said a majority of people approve the voice. I said the voice actor remaining employed with no significant changes is the default, and it's the job of critics to change either her employment or her performance. So the burden of proof is on critics, yet there's no clear consensus the performance was bad.
- People have called for her firing, and the odds of that are low because she has not done anything wrong and has not created any double standard by tweeting that more trans actors should be offered some roles and one major actor should voluntarily resign as a sign of solidarity.
- If negative threads perform better than positive ones, it doesn't mean anything. The content of the posts are what matters and they demonstrate that posters go to critical / negative threads even to discuss positive or neutral feedback. Another interesting finding is that Both threads centered around "feedback" or "poor acting" have second post responses that double/nearly double the likes of the original posts.
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6406328
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6405205
On Twitter, this is called being ratio'd and is a bad sign for the original poster.
- Despite your posts, I still hold these positions. Hope this helps

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

On Twitter, this is called being ratio'd and is a bad sign for the original poster.

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Here in old internet I think it's just called flame war and it's not particularly positive usage of anyone's time.

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Originally Posted by Burmecia

Here in old internet I think it's just called flame war and it's not particularly positive usage of anyone's time.

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Flame wars can't be quantified, but a ratio in this case is the ratio of likes VS dislikes. The idea is that someone posts a hot take with some likes but a reply discredits it and generates significantly more likes. It is no coincidence that has occurred with both of the threads criticizing the VA. Being ratioed means the general audience is too lazy or dispassionate to disagree with the OP but want to let them know they're wrong by liking the earliest reply that does that for them.

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Originally Posted by Karious

Show me the data that everyone loves it.

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Originally Posted by Troxbark

The proof is in the fact that complaints grossly outnumber praise.

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Mmmh, yes all 45 which isn't even a sample representative of the outraged consumers greatly outnumber praise.

Also, a handy dandy mini guide for both of you as to why this type of argument is just generally nonsense.
https://i.imgur.com/ssyyHI4.png

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Originally Posted by Karious

Show me the data that everyone loves it.

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The first response has more likes than your OP, by almost double.
I'd say that's relevant.

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Originally Posted by VirusOnline

Mmmh, yes all 45 which isn't even a sample representative of the outraged consumers greatly outnumber praise.

Also, a handy dandy mini guide for both of you as to why this type of argument is just generally nonsense.
https://i.imgur.com/ssyyHI4.png

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"we don't have any proof that everyone loves it but by default we are right" is pure ignorance. I'd post a clown emote, but I think you're at least that self aware... Right?

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

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Yes, we are all aware that out of 400+ replies there are a handful of posts calling for her to be fired. This doesn't make you right and there's so few calling for it that your point about it is completely irrelevant. In a perfect world poor performing employees would be fired but that is not the case so the vast majority of people are settling for simple improvements.

And yes I'm aware of the "likes", just like you claiming people complain more, I too can say that because of the voice actresses status there are just as many tribal people here that will blindly defend her by default because of that status. That too would make the likes questionable at best.

To point out the tribalism here, you're defending the accent that is inconsistent at the LEAST under the guise of it being a made up "tural accent". Yet the same issue with accents in ARR you criticize and don't claim that they are simply "eorzean accents". This is a blatant double standard.

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Originally Posted by Troxbark

Yes, we are all aware that out of 400+ replies there are a handful of posts calling for her to be fired. This doesn't make you right and there's so few calling for it that your point about it is completely irrelevant. In a perfect world poor performing employees would be fired but that is not the case so the vast majority of people are settling for simple improvements.

And yes I'm aware of the "likes", just like you claiming people complain more, I too can say that because of the voice actresses status there are just as many tribal people here that will blindly defend her by default because of that status. That too would make the likes questionable at best.

To point out the tribalism here, you're defending the accent that is inconsistent at the LEAST under the guise of it being a made up "tural accent". Yet the same issue with accents in ARR you criticize and don't claim that they are simply "eorzean accents". This is a blatant double standard.

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It absolutely makes me right. Only takes 1 person and me commenting on it is valid. I never said it was a ton of people. Unlike the two of you, I do not make claims I cannot backup. I label them as maybes or perhaps.

Saying people like her or won't fire her because she's trans is just another claim you cannot back up.

Also unlike you I do not use the term "inconsistent". I never used it. I said ARR voice acting was bad..and it's bad because the actors often did not express lines appropriately for the scenes half the time. Inconsistent accents are prevalent IRL, especially with bilingual people who grew up in diverse areas or someone who moves to another country and remains there. For example if you're English but move to the US, your accent can soften or even change entirely over long periods. So I do not use this term. It's dumb and it tells us nothing specific anyway. It's like complaining about a boss.battle and saying "it's bad, it's inconsistent". Without details that means nothing.

I'd also point out the game is rife with accents that sound a bit off at times because actors sometimes struggle with the unusual wording and names in this game.

And before you say it, please read the first post I made more thoroughly once again. I did not say everyone likes the performance. I asked someone else (not you) how they expect to have her removed given there is no clear consensus among players and her tweets aren't damning at all. And so far the answer is "Well we got a sound effect changed one time". Great, let us know how that works out, assuming that it's even the same situation where few people were requesting that change but it still got done (I doubt it).

Still gonna complain, don't care. She sucks. You can come in here and scream all you want I'm not changing my stance.

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

It absolutely makes me right. Only takes 1 person and me commenting on it is valid. I never said it was a ton of people. Unlike the two of you, I do not make claims I cannot backup. I label them as maybes or perhaps.

Saying people like her or won't fire her because she's trans is just another claim you cannot back up.

Also unlike you I do not use the term "inconsistent". I never used it. I said ARR voice acting was bad..and it's bad because the actors often did not express lines appropriately for the scenes half the time. Inconsistent accents are prevalent IRL, especially with bilingual people who grew up in diverse areas or someone who moves to another country and remains there. For example if you're English but move to the US, your accent can soften or even change entirely over long periods. So I do not use this term. It's dumb and it tells us nothing specific anyway. It's like complaining about a boss.battle and saying "it's bad, it's inconsistent". Without details that means nothing.

I'd also point out the game is rife with accents that sound a bit off at times because actors sometimes struggle with the unusual wording and names in this game.

And before you say it, please read the first post I made more thoroughly once again. I did not say everyone likes the performance. I asked someone else (not you) how they expect to have her removed given there is no clear consensus among players and her tweets aren't damning at all. And so far the answer is "Well we got a sound effect changed one time". Great, let us know how that works out, assuming that it's even the same situation where few people were requesting that change but it still got done (I doubt it).

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No, finding even a single post out of hundreds doesn't make you right. It actually makes your argument even more weak because then you're arguing from a stand point that no one actually cares about. There's so few people calling for her to be fired, that it's actually weird that it's been the main focal point of every one of your posts so far.

Inconsistent is a descriptive term, in fact it's a adjective.

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For example if you're English but move to the US

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So you agree that her accent is based on a real world accent, glad you have finally come around on this.

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Originally Posted by Karious

Still gonna complain, don't care. She sucks. You can come in here and scream all you want I'm not changing my stance.

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You can complain all you want, just don't feel like you have the right to request she get fired or think that you belong to some silent majority.

I am the silent majority.

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Originally Posted by Karious

I am the silent majority.

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Prove it. Let's see the data.

You first.

https://imgur.com/e7TFQ79.gif

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Originally Posted by Karious

You first.

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Mate, I just want to see this data. You said something and made it sound like fact, so it's on you to prove it.

What? I thought you guys were the ones speaking from authority, my bad.

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

Flame wars can't be quantified, but a ratio in this case is the ratio of likes VS dislikes. The idea is that someone posts a hot take with some likes but a reply discredits it and generates significantly more likes. It is no coincidence that has occurred with both of the threads criticizing the VA. Being ratioed means the general audience is too lazy or dispassionate to disagree with the OP but want to let them know they're wrong by liking the earliest reply that does that for them.

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I do not think quantifying internet disagrements means that much more than internet disagreements in general.

If anything, after widening the sample size from first two posts to first 10 posts per both example threads, this is discussion forum after all, I think the tone of the discussion is surprisingly neutral/even; either by being just neutral, off-topic or about as popular negative/positive stances canceling each other.
No 10000 posts vs 10 likes situations in sight. Wouldn't call 60/40 or 30/70 opinion splits rationing yet but whatever.

First discussion, titled as discussion about negative opinions of Wuk Lamat (Wuk Lamat's Poor EN Voice Acting) was full of off-topic discussion of earlier deleted thread, plainly on topic positive posts of Wuk Lamat remaining more popular than than negative posts.
Second one, titled as general feedback thread ([Feedback] Wuk Lamat's English Voice) stayed on topic better, plainly negative posts of Wuk Lamat remaining slightly more popular than positive posts.

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Originally Posted by Slacktivism

the practice of supporting a political or social cause by means such as social media or online petitions, characterized as involving very little effort or commitment.

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

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Originally Posted by Burmecia

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The first 10 posts doesn't represent the whole thread and neither does the ratio example. You'd have to add up all the likes in the thread.

And nonetheless you're responding to what I said with "nu uh this" essentially. Thr first 10 pages are not the OP and the very first response to it. Other posts deviate off into other discussions and responses. The idea is that someone who is not going to view the whole thread, just likes the first post that suits their opinion. It doesn't mean it's a majority, but it's a strong indicator of what you may find if you add up the whole thread.

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

The first 10 posts doesn't represent the whole thread and neither does the ratio example. You'd have to add up all the likes in the thread.

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That doesn't make any sense, you'd just be counting the same people's likes over and over. After page 3 it's usually just gonna be the same handful of people liking each others posts while most of the reasonable people already left the thread forever. It only makes sense to look at the likes on the OP and the first reply that disagrees.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

That doesn't make any sense, you'd just be counting the same people's likes over and over. After page 3 it's usually just gonna be the same handful of people liking each others posts while most of the reasonable people already left the thread forever. It only makes sense to look at the likes on the OP and the first reply that disagrees.

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I actually went to the trouble of counting likes for the first 30 pages. Of the posts that were definitively negative, not people just repeating the exact same idea (some literally say "i'm just saying this again, but I hate it", I did not count those), not debating what if the director is to blame, not debating how a woman should sound, etc, I counted 361 likes supporting said negative posts. Neutral and off topic posts were ignored in general (posts debating the authenticity of the accent, Sena, Twitter, whatever). TO be clear, if someone said "I didn't like the performance, the accent was off" I counted that post but not the tangential "nu uh" posts going back and forth either (in both positive and negative directions).

And to be honest, I was super generous with the "people not repeating themselves" rule, including the OP. I didn't count all their posts but I counted ones that generally did not repeat what they said in the OP. The reason for this is because I think likes that are approving of a new idea should be counted. You can't just say "oh it's the same person posting over and over".
So I even counted negative posts like this:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6405217

from the OP.

Then I stopped because it became mind numbing and I did the same for positive posts. I had to stop at page 10 or 11 because I hit 371 likes.

tldr it takes 30 pages for negative likes to hit 361 and 10-11 pages for positive ones to hit 371.

So whether you use this analysis or the first OP, things do not look good for the negative side. The negative side honestly would be higher if I counted posts that were just saying negative things, or negatively responding to other people. I was genuinely trying to count posts that included language like "I felt x way about the performance" on both sides. The positive side also had people who were just making fun of other people or going off topic, and I didn't count them either. It's just from what I remember, but the positive side had significantly less people "repeating" for no reason and actually had less "popular posts". The positive side won, from what I could see, because there's simply more of them. So it's a quantity over quality sort of thing.

Wuk Lamath is fine, if you got the ear for the language she is using then you will notice it gets better in the end, after first encounter and that is that.

Like everyone else, Wuk is not a Scholar like the rest of the crew more or less is.
Wuk is a foreign Cat, and is going to have to adapt to Eorzeans, even though it should be the other way around as we are going to travel to her place in the world.
Wuk was adobted and raised by another specie.

It is like no one seem to get or grasp anything of that at all, stop complaining, and see that she will get better in time, being against from the first page in the book is much more being judgemental.

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

Then I stopped because it became mind numbing and I did the same for positive posts. I had to stop at page 10 or 11 because I hit 371 likes.

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So, seeing that you did this, I went to verify.

I counted negative posts towards the voice first, up til page 12. Negative opinions given likes totaled 501.

I went back and counted positive posts towards the voice up to page 12. Positive opinions given likes totaled 342.

I only ignored posts, either negative or positive, if they didn't mentioned the voice acting of Wuk Lamat in EN at all. This left out only posts talking about other things like politics, other voices in other languages, or other characters' voice acting.

You must have an awful lot of people blocked or something. Or perhaps you made some addition errors.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

That doesn't make any sense, you'd just be counting the same people's likes over and over. After page 3 it's usually just gonna be the same handful of people liking each others posts while most of the reasonable people already left the thread forever. It only makes sense to look at the likes on the OP and the first reply that disagrees.

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This isn't a good rationale. It's somewhat good for this thread, but in many others there are posters with bad reputations or good reputations that get likes simply for who they are, rather than for what they are posting. Never mind people giving likes relative to a perceived socio-political issue rather than for whatever the topic is really about. Or people giving likes for meme responses.

There's actually quite a wide spread of people posting in this thread for its first 7 or so pages and even beyond. It isn't the same folks responding and liking after the page 3, that's for sure.

I like the character, the voice acting was off. Also think the part where Krile says "Thank you, Graha." Sounded absolutely terrible. Gra.....Ha... What was that delivery? It was so unatural!
Where Wuk Lamat is shouting at the bird her obscenities, it doesn't sound right either. I hope the voice acting is better for the expansion or I'll try swapping back to JP voice over.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

This isn't a good rationale. It's somewhat good for this thread, but in many others there are posters with bad reputations or good reputations that get likes simply for who they are, rather than for what they are posting. Never mind people giving likes relative to a perceived socio-political issue rather than for whatever the topic is really about. Or people giving likes for meme responses.

There's actually quite a wide spread of people posting in this thread for its first 7 or so pages and even beyond. It isn't the same folks responding and liking after the page 3, that's for sure.

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I think this explains all you need to know about your methodology and why it should not be trusted. I do not believe players have reputations, nor did that affect my counting. For example I counted your post, and the first post of Swad (who I have on ignore). The rest of his posts were not counted because a. He's a troll account and b. They were mostly him responding to people just repeating himself or, in my case, arguing with me.I stated in this very thread I was blocking them because they continued to stalk posts and personally attack me just because I told them I prefer real accents in voice acting over fake ones. He's the only person who had hidden posts for me and I un ignored him when counting.

My methodology was first impressions. I generally ignored debating on both sides unless the replies themselves were first impressions and relevant. The positive side had many more genuine first impressions, the negative side (as one would expect) often complained over and over about the same things and hounded other people over them liking it.

That said I may have been missing Swads because I unignored him midway through and I'm unsure if I went back and added the 25. Doesn't make any difference anyway. I did count your post (21 negative likes).

I'd also say people can believe what they want. I personally think the thread does indeed indicate how a vocal minority can make it look like they're a majority when literally aren't.

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

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So the guy who thinks the voice is good also says that his count for positive likes is more correct?? Lol.

Im thinking people liked it just in spite to counterbalance the likes that said otherwise.

I'm astonished this is still going on, really. Figured we'd be back to hoping for headgear and hairstyles for Hrothgar and Viera.

Personally, I think Wuk's V/A did an fine job overall, even though I do think her accent went through a journey until she ironed it out in the end (which I think was more of a voice direction issue) and maybe the audio sounded a little off (sounded more like a mic issues to me).
I think my biggest problem was the little-to-lack of voice direction for the whole cast this patch (emotions of faces not matching emotions in voices, G'raha going into his Exarch daddy voice, Wuk's accent, etc.) and lukewarm-to-subpar story and dialog writing, which would be on the EN voice director and the writing team. (；・∀・)