FFXIV 6.0 comes out December 7th. Pre-release is December 3rd

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

It's the first time they are delaying an expansion. For 2 weeks. No need to be so dramatic.

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It's cumulative. They said they were back on track to be clockwork with 5.3. That wasn't the case. We are now going to have a year plus between some staple content, by far the longest we've ever had.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

It's cumulative. They said they were back on track to be clockwork with 5.3. That wasn't the case. We are now going to have a year plus between some staple content, by far the longest we've ever had.

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They are developing an MMO game, making sure everything works so everyone could have a great experience. Things like that happen. Nothing bad about it.

Omg due to sheer luck, my boss didn't get to do the schedule yesterday and I was able to change my time off.
I might even get MORE time off now!

Sending vibes to the rest of y'all!

Don't change the date again SE, pls x_x

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

They are developing an MMO game, making sure everything works so everyone could have a great experience. Things like that happen. Nothing bad about it.

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Well when they have a relatively strong track record to compare themselves against one can't be blamed for a customer and fan being a bit annoyed with how this has been handled.

I dont have a problem with the delay, it happens all the time in the industry. What I do have a problem with is announcing it 2 weeks before launch. This needed to be done much earlier, preferably a month in advance.

There's the argument: maybe we can make it in time. But then if you can't, there's a lot less good-will compared to announcing it well in advance.

Guys, I have cereal leeks on why they delayed, they're adding ERP to PF!

https://i.imgur.com/UArCSiJ.png

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

Well when they have a relatively strong track record to compare themselves against one can't be blamed for a customer and fan being a bit annoyed with how this has been handled.

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Customers will be annoyed no matter what. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'd rather see them fixing issues before the expansion hit, rather than not being able to proceed through the story like it was with Stormblood launch. I was there and I too stood in the queue.

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Originally Posted by S-r-ex

Guys, I have cereal leeks on why they delayed, they're adding ERP to PF!

https://i.imgur.com/UArCSiJ.png

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Unironically would love an rp finder tbh.

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

Customers will be annoyed no matter what. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'd rather see them fixing issues before the expansion hit, rather than not being able to proceed through the story like it was with Stormblood launch. I was there and I too stood in the queue.

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That's not what's being fixed at all though lol

There's this weird dichotomy like if these two weeks didn't happen we'd have Raubahn again and it's like... if it was that bad they'd probably need more than two weeks to fix it.

Especially when Yoshida went on record to specifically say it was nothing like that, they're just running general qa late because he went over the lore with a fine toothed comb.

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

Customers will be annoyed no matter what. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'd rather see them fixing issues before the expansion hit, rather than not being able to proceed through the story like it was with Stormblood launch. I was there and I too stood in the queue.

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they want to extend it by two weeks essentially to do final QA on story text/Flavor text not some game breaking bug or some early instance clogging issue they have learn there lesson about that

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Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell

That's not what's being fixed at all though lol

There's this weird dichotomy like if these two weeks didn't happen we'd have Raubahn again and it's like... if it was that bad they'd probably need more than two weeks to fix it.

Especially when Yoshida went on record to specifically say it was nothing like that, they're just running general qa late because he went over the lore with a fine toothed comb.

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We don't know what's being fixed or not in reality. I made an example with R.EX, I didn't claim it would be like that if the launch wouldn't be delayed.
It could be nothing special, it could be something worth delaying. We'll never know. They want to make sure everything works, let them be.

I will probably get burned like a heathen for saying this, but I can't help but chuckling a little at people who blame SE for their now wasted vacation. I'm sorry but SE never asked you to take time off for a GAME. You decided that all by yourself. And in so doing you should know that there's always a risk (however small) that things might not go as planned. (I'll give you the fact that this is a FFXIV's first, though)

That said, I feel bad for Yoshi having to make this decision. And as much as it might suck, I do prefer this over releasing the game in a rush. But that's just me. Atleast FFXIV Dev's do truly care about their players and want to give them the best gaming experience possible. That's something a lot of other game dev's could learn from.

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

We don't know what's being fixed or not in reality. I made an example with R.EX, I didn't claim it would be like that if the launch wouldn't be delayed.
It could be nothing special, it could be something worth delaying. We'll never know. They want to make sure everything works, let them be.

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they said at the start of the live letter it was about story and flavor text so there is no loose ends or fore shadowing for the new stories later.

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Originally Posted by xLucia

I will probably get burned like a heathen for saying this, but I can't help but chuckling a little at people who blame SE for their now wasted vacation. I'm sorry but SE never asked you to take time off for a GAME. You decided that all by yourself. And in so doing you should know that there's always a risk (however small) that things might not go as planned. (I'll give you the fact that this is a FFXIV's first, though)

That said, I feel bad for Yoshi having to make this decision. And as much as it might suck, I do prefer this over releasing the game in a rush. But that's just me. Atleast FFXIV Dev's do truly care about their players and want to give them the best gaming experience possible. That's something a lot of other game dev's could learn from.

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people taking time off is only apart of the issue its more so they announced a delay 13 days before release

If you ever want to prove that this "community" is not the amazing, thoughtful community people claim it is, show them this thread. This thread, beyond anything I've ever read here, proves how many disgusting, judgmental, hypocritical people there are playing this game.

To the dev team, "Oh my gosh, I'm so sad, did you see Yoshi? He was so sad. The feels. My heart reaches out to him."

To the people legitimately upset they are getting screwed over because they took their own discretionary paid time off months in advance to enjoy an expansion of a game they obviously love. "Eh screw you. You don't mean anything. You're an idiot for doing so. Who cares about your feelings."

Its just a little disheartening for me. My job has been severely understaffed for almost a year ,causing mandatory OT and new hires leave right away because they didn’t sign on for no days off a month. People still have lives after all, life shouldn’t be “ work every day until you are 60-65 then you can retire and enjoy life”.

We have only recently gotten a few more people to lighten the load and I was able to request time off, haven’t had a vacation since April 2019 because of COVID, travel restrictions, and understaffing. Can’t even change my time off now because my boss already moved the schedule around last week for 11/19-11/25 for my vacation. Mine as well still take it, but nothing I can really do during that time anyway.

All good it was delayed because it was recognized EW is still behind in development, just still upsetting.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

If you ever want to prove that this "community" is not the amazing, thoughtful community people claim it is, show them this thread. This thread, beyond anything I've ever read here, proves how many disgusting, judgmental, hypocritical people there are playing this game.

To the dev team, "Oh my gosh, I'm so sad, did you see Yoshi? He was so sad. The feels. My heart reaches out to him."

To the people legitimately upset they are getting screwed over because they took their own discretionary paid time off months in advance to enjoy and expansion of a game they obviously love. "Eh screw you. You don't mean anything. You're an idiot for doing so. Who cares about your feelings."

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In short: People are people. Water is wet. The sky is blue.

Great news everyone!

The servers won't be as congested during the day so hopefully we won't see as many disconnects and high login queue times!

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

They are developing an MMO game, making sure everything works so everyone could have a great experience. Things like that happen. Nothing bad about it.

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Nothing good about it either. So stop trying to shut people down. You can put up your sword and shield now knight.

I love this community but some folks are being complete brats about this.

Its two weeks later..
Seriously, get over yourselves.

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Originally Posted by Shin96

In short: People are people. Water is wet. The sky is blue.

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Yeah, let's be honest, this debate would have carried even outside of XIV. It is just a can of words to talk about and frankly I have enough annoyance in real life with delays.
Community this, community that, it is normal.

I think this bears repeating every few pages or so...

Delays: perfectly fine.
Delays to fix lore inconsitencies: perfectly fine especially for a story based game. I doubt yoshi p would've been the only one to notice something.
The chaos caused by waiting so long to let us know, even though its common practice to take off of work for large releases: :x that's the trouble.

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Originally Posted by DragoAskani

Nothing good about it either. So stop trying to shut people down. You can put up your sword and shield now knight.

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I didn't know that voicing an opinion means to be a white knight. But so be it. I'm not going to withdraw my opinion just because someone on the internet disagrees with me. I stand by my words. We'll never know why they decided to delay the expansion (mind you, they can say it was story text fixes but never say about bigger issues to not worry the playerbase more than they already did with the delay), from my experience, Yoshi P has players' interests in mind and only good intentions, so I will disagree with you here. Maybe next time you shouldn't plan your life around an MMO expansion in development.

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Originally Posted by Roda

I think this bears repeating every few pages or so...

Delays: perfectly fine.
Delays to fix lore inconsitencies: perfectly fine especially for a story based game. I doubt yoshi p would've been the only one to notice something.
The chaos caused by waiting so long to let us know, even though its common practice to take off of work for large releases: :x that's the trouble.

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Quoted for truth

Well, great on them for catching things that need to be fixed. But damn them for the delay. :/ Finally able to use my vacation time after a year and a half and they rendered it pointless XD Guess I'll just have to spend it with the family for Thanksgiving then :/

I rather them push it back then put out another 1.0

Sigh. Some of the posts here are unironically "leave that multi-million dollar company alone."

Have to say it is a little disappointing how some are reacting to this unfortunate news. We (Japanese players) are also upset with the delay, and have said so in the thread in the JPN forums, but also remark that while it is disappointing, Yoshida-san also took responsibility like he should have and was humble about it. So, while we're disappointed, most of us also gave words of encouragement and many were worried for Yoshida-san's health, even. Then again, it is extremely rare for people to take off of real life work to play a game unless they are students/don't work, so maybe it is different for countries where taking off for expansions is the norm. The few people I know who are able to do such things are, understandably, upset - but they still aren't antagonistic or accusatory towards the FF14 team. :(

I respect and trust Yoshi-P decision. We only need to wait a bit more, that's all.

I took off a week too and while it sucks I'd rather wait 2 weeks (which is nothing) than have the team crunch just to meet the deadline. Yoship was extremely apologetic about it and he looked straight up exhausted, it's clear as day that he didn't want to make the decision but saw it as necessary to give US, the players, a good launching experience.

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Originally Posted by Y2K21

Sigh. Some of the posts here are unironically "leave that multi-million dollar company alone."

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Right? I’ve said it before. People don’t need to defend SE, they have lawyers for that.

awww , the release of the raid will be on xmas time , thats bad

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Originally Posted by DBriggs304

I love this community but some folks are being complete brats about this.

Its two weeks later..
Seriously, get over yourselves.

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it's more due to the fact a lot of people took time off to play and now just 2 weeks away they delay it for another 2 weeks. They should of anticipated it but instead work on seasonal events that no one likes honestly for some menial trinkets that people throw away and his attention is divided with ff16 as well. So I can see why some people are angry as hell

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Originally Posted by lezard21

It's basic business time management. If you have good communication within your team and don't set unrealistic expectations you can know within the week of starting a project wether you will be able to meet a deadline or not unless something completely out of your control happens like a delivery truck derailing or a pandemic strucking the whole world.



And I've acknowledged that on my reason b), yet at least from what was said during the live letters it didn't seem to be the case.

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I understand your point that with good planning, a sw development team should be able to see whether a deadline is realistic, to a certain extent that's true BUT I'm going to guess that you haven't worked on any large-scale software project, in any domain, because while you can put together a project plan, and put together a risk management plan, and hold all the meetings you want with (typically) multiple teams - on a project that could last many months or even years- that original deadline often does need to get updated.

I won't even get into factors that the team didn't originally plan for, but get introduced, such as (for example) corporate asking for new features mid-way into a project .

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Originally Posted by xLucia

I will probably get burned like a heathen for saying this, but I can't help but chuckling a little at people who blame SE for their now wasted vacation. I'm sorry but SE never asked you to take time off for a GAME. You decided that all by yourself. And in so doing you should know that there's always a risk (however small) that things might not go as planned. (I'll give you the fact that this is a FFXIV's first, though)

That said, I feel bad for Yoshi having to make this decision. And as much as it might suck, I do prefer this over releasing the game in a rush. But that's just me. Atleast FFXIV Dev's do truly care about their players and want to give them the best gaming experience possible. That's something a lot of other game dev's could learn from.

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while that is true another thing why announce a date. If you announce you better make sure it is available by then. Don't announce a date and 2 weeks before launch say oops. What have you been doing these past months. I like Yoshi but he has himself all over the place doing ff14 and ff16. He took to much that he could chew and now he has spread himself thin. He has to realize he is human and working on 2 games at once is overkill.

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Originally Posted by Leonus

Great news everyone!

The servers won't be as congested during the day so hopefully we won't see as many disconnects and high login queue times!

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wouldn't hold my breath on that LMAO

I understand that those who had planned to take days of work for this are upset, they have every right to be upset.
I also understand that this was a difficult decision to make for Yoshi.p, which is why I think it was something they had to do.

My guess is that whatever they really needed to delay it for was something that can be fixed within 2 weeks, but would create an even bigger shitstorm then delaying the release for 2 weeks have created.
A simple cost vs cost, does releasing it in this state cost SE more then the delay? At the end of the dey SE is a business and money is what ultimately drives decision making. Good thing for us that they have understood that a good relationship with the customers = more money.

And I know that Stormblood had a really bad release, well the entire expansion was rather crap, almost made me quit for good.
But there is a major difference between then and now, FFXIV is bigger and has more eyes on it, Shadowbringer is viewed as one of the greatest mmorpg expansions. That changes this to a moment where failure is not an option, either the articles and videos about Endwalker will hail it as the greates mmorpg expansion to date, or they will talk about how it is the worst failure in mmorpg history. Binary I know but that is what the internet has changed every conversation into, utter garbage or a masterpiece with nothing inbetween.

And again, I think that those that are upset have every right to be upset.

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Originally Posted by Soraki-Muppe

And again, I think that those that are upset have every right to be upset.

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This is key. I seen too much dare I say, apologists on this forum since the news broke to shame anyone expressing disappointment and being upset.

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Originally Posted by MirielleLavandre

Have to say it is a little disappointing how some are reacting to this unfortunate news. We (Japanese players) are also upset with the delay, and have said so in the thread in the JPN forums, but also remark that while it is disappointing, Yoshida-san also took responsibility like he should have and was humble about it. So, while we're disappointed, most of us also gave words of encouragement and many were worried for Yoshida-san's health, even. Then again, it is extremely rare for people to take off of real life work to play a game unless they are students/don't work, so maybe it is different for countries where taking off for expansions is the norm. The few people I know who are able to do such things are, understandably, upset - but they still aren't antagonistic or accusatory towards the FF14 team. :(

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I don't condone anyone giving hate towards Yoshida or anyone on the dev team for the delay nor have I really seen it being directed that way or even hinted. I'm more upset at the delaying of annoucing the delay with 2 weeks. I work in sys software development and as a fellow developer I can tell pretty early that this project will not meet the deadline, I don't suddenly notice it less than 2 weeks away from it.

This is the only critic I have for it.

Well this sucks, this really sucks. This was basically my holiday for the year.

Even an extra weeks notice would have been something. I wouldn't have been able to shift the whole week, but maybe I could have got a long weekend in on the new date.

This is understandable.

At the very least this will ruin Blizzard's plans to try and distract from the Endwalker release like they did with past ff14 expansions.

When YoshiP was so apologetic on the livestream and starting to tear up, I feared the worst and my mind went to Soken and thinking something terrible happened like his cancer came back more aggressive or something. And then hearing that Endwalker was delayed by 2 weeks and I thought... 'that's it?" I'm actually relieved that it wasn't something serious, but I do feel bad for the people who requested time off and now have to try to change it, sometimes that's easier said than done!