Ninja: Walk in shadow.

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Originally Posted by ShaolinMike

Agreed. Either way, one thing that makes it much better than Aetherial Manipulation is that you pick a spot rather than a party member. As someone who plays on a controller, it slows me down when I have to scroll through the party list to find a player in a safe spot to port to. Usually manipulating to a healer is safe, but picking a spot will be much quicker.

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Yeah I generally just had it macro'd to party member 2, and then sorted it so healers were always second. It's use was somewhat limited because of this though.

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Originally Posted by JakzChurchill

Yeah I generally just had it macro'd to party member 2, and then sorted it so healers were always second. It's use was somewhat limited because of this though.

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I absolutely refused to have a specific party member number hard-coded into my macro, just in case that particular member derped into an AoE lol.

yeah it just meant I could use it too get out of aoes as it was 1 quick button press, otherwise I just wouldn't use it at all.

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Originally Posted by JakzChurchill

yeah it just meant I could use it too get out of aoes as it was 1 quick button press, otherwise I just wouldn't use it at all.

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Yeah I definitely understand.

Continuing on with my ninja nerdgasm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbiFK4tcz9w#t=323

If you look closely, you can see the Ninja nexus weapons...

/drool

I'm pretty sure the the teleport skill works were basically you place a targeter to a spot, and then click to 'port there.

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Originally Posted by dday3six

I'm pretty sure the the teleport skill works were basically you place a targeter to a spot, and then click to 'port there.

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We're speaking in terms of "how does the game view your teleport", as opposed to "how do you execute the teleport."

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Originally Posted by ShaolinMike

We're speaking in terms of "how does the game view your teleport", as opposed to "how do you execute the teleport."

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I was talking about the "one quick button press" part. As in I don't believe it will be quite so streamlined.

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Originally Posted by dday3six

I was talking about the "one quick button press" part. As in I don't believe it will be quite so streamlined.

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Oh. Jakz was talking about his aetherial manipulation macro. Shikuji is definitely a 2-step, ground targeting move.

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Originally Posted by ShaolinMike

Oh. Jakz was talking about his aetherial manipulation macro. Shikuji is definitely a 2-step, ground targeting move.

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I wonder if that skill counts as movement or teleportation. For example, Dragoons when they jump, they are technically just walking very fast to their target, so it is registered as movement. I.e Dragoons cannot jump over twisters, they will still explode.

It has a clear travel time, it is almost certainly just "fast walking".

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

It has a clear travel time, it is almost certainly just "fast walking".

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Let me dream please.

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Originally Posted by Ephier

I wonder if that skill counts as movement or teleportation. For example, Dragoons when they jump, they are technically just walking very fast to their target, so it is registered as movement. I.e Dragoons cannot jump over twisters, they will still explode.

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That's what we're trying to figure out.

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Originally Posted by ShaolinMike

This is the first time I've ever gotten involved in serious number crunching, so please forgive my errors. But does anyone have an idea of how this stacks up against the "standard" MNK rotation in terms of potency? Just curious.

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I've estimated NIN at around 584 potency/2.5s gcd. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
I've estimated MNK at about 566 potency/2.5s gcd, and DRG at about 512 potency/2.5s gcd, to put that into perspective. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

However, I've made a number of assumptions, which we cannot confirm until 2.4 releases:

1) Ninjutsu has a 20s cooldown, and is off-GCD. I also assumed that you can input all the mudras and activate the ninjutsu without cutting into your GCD. This is likely not the case, and would result in lower DPS.
2) SATA has a 60s cooldown, and is off-GCD. I also assumed only 4 hits would be affected by TA.
3) Kassatsu has a 120s cooldown.
4) Jugulate has a 30s cooldown.
5) WAR is maintaining Storm's Eye.
6) Mug is a GCD attack, so it does not contribute to optimal DPS, in any way.
7) Dancing Edge/Storm's Eye do not affect ninjutsu.

I did not simulate B4B or IR, I merely multiplied their overall effect together with the total potency.
I'm also not sure if my rotation is completely optimal. Namely, there are times where your DOTs are nearly off, but you're about to start a new combo. It might be worth clipping those DOTs, at that point. For simplicity's sake, I didn't clip any DOTs.
For auto-attacks, I assumed a 75 potency hit every 2.5s (2.125s for NIN and MNK).

It's likely that NIN will have a weaker damage weapon than MNK and/or DRG, in order to avoid balance issues. Its higher potency/gcd doesn't necessarily mean it's stronger until we know that.

Guess not. Hopefully my math is wrong then; someone double-check me.

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Originally Posted by Argyle_Darkheart

I've estimated NIN at around 584 potency/2.5s gcd. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
I've estimated MNK at about 566 potency/2.5s gcd, and DRG at about 512 potency/2.5 gcd, to put that into perspective. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

However, I've made a number of assumptions, which we cannot confirm until 2.4 releases:

It's likely that NIN will have a weaker damage weapon than MNK and/or DRG, in order to avoid balance issues. Its higher potency/gcd doesn't necessarily mean it's stronger until we know that.

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Higher potency + less weapon damage for balance makes sense. And thanks for taking the time to put something together.

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Originally Posted by ShaolinMike

Higher potency + less weapon damage for balance makes sense. And thanks for taking the time to put something together.

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Doubt that. All melee weapons have the same WD, and all caster weapons have the same WD.

I really hope nin weapon damage isn't lower than mnk or drgs. If it is, then it should not be as great a difference as brds weapons to melee weapons.

Thanks for this post, its very helpful.

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Originally Posted by JakzChurchill

Yeah I was thinking that, wondering if I can teleport through an enemies field of vision without being spotted.

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And if you use hide, and use Shi, you'll lose hide...

Ninja have the same wpn damage as the other melee's

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/123...e-Going-Mining

So yea, NIN weapon damage is on par with other melees.

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Originally Posted by Houston009

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/123...e-Going-Mining

So yea, NIN weapon damage is on par with other melees.

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This is a good thing, thanks for the post/link.

Like we thought Goad can't be used on yourself

Yeah the tooltip is worded and means the same as 'Eye for an Eye'. Any party member except yourself. How sad :(

Hii all,

Fairly new to the game and glad I started just as Rog/Nin came out. Quick question as far as Rog/Nin goes where should I be distributing my attribute points to? All Dex or a mix of Dex and something else?

Mug Tooltip in english is wrong: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2544004

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Originally Posted by Nitaiupopo

Bouken et Gael, bonjour.
Bouken & Gael, good evening.

La version française (ainsi que l'allemande) suit scrupuleusement ce qui est écrit en japonais, c'est à dire que "si Rapine réussit (=touche la cible), un plus grand nombre d'objet pourra être obtenu une fois l'ennemi vaincu".
Autrement dit, l'anglais est erroné, et nous allons en informer nos camarades anglophones.
The French version (as the Deutsch one) follow exactly what's written on the Japanese tooltip, meaning that "if Mug succeed (=without missing), more item could be obtained once the ennemy is defeated".
As said, English version is wrong and we'll send that information to your english comrades.

Merci pour eux.
Bon jeu ! ;)

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So, it doesn't need to be the final blow to work properly.

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Originally Posted by OUTIILAW

Hii all,

Fairly new to the game and glad I started just as Rog/Nin came out. Quick question as far as Rog/Nin goes where should I be distributing my attribute points to? All Dex or a mix of Dex and something else?

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General rule of thumb for every dps class or job: all points into the main damage stat, which is dex for Rogue/Ninja. :)

Figured I'd drop this here as well (originally posted here)

Something a friend of mine and I were throwing around, trying to figure out if there's a way to make NIN work on some sort of rotation, and for the time being we came up with the rotation at the bottom. Neither of us are yet at 50 with NIN so we haven't had a chance to put it into practice, but I wanted to throw this out there and see if someone can take the idea and see if it makes sense.

NIN abilities just don't line up correctly. They have really odd durations and trying to make them match Ninjutsu was a struggle and not worth it. It was at this point that we were looking at cross-class abilities for NIN and besides the obvious 4 choices (Blood For Blood, Internal Release, Second Wind, Invigorate) every other option from MNK and DRG was just worthless. But we had a thought, regarding Impulse Drive. NIN feels like it needs something to pad out combos ever-so-slightly to get the debuffs, dots, buffs, and ninjutsu recasts to line up correctly, so we tried it, and it seems to work in theory. We had 3 assumptions going into this:

- Using Huton and waiting 20 seconds at the start is impractical, and not applicable to mid-fight
- With Huton on, we estimated with the GCD at 2 seconds. ID's can be taken out if the GCD is longer and the rotation too long
- Weave in Mug and Jugulate as needed or at will, there's plenty of time and they're not terribly important.

ID: Impulse Drive
IR: Internal Release
SF: Shadow Fang combo (2 actions), 40 Potency DOT for 18s
DE: Dancing Edge combo (3 actions), Decreases target's slashing resistance by 10% for 20s
AE: Aeolian Edge combo (3 actions)
Mut: Mutilate
B4B: Blood For Blood

Huton > Mut (2 sec) > DE Combo (6 sec) > Impulse Drive (2 sec) > Internal Release > Spinning Edge (2 sec) > B4B > Shadow Fang (2 sec) > Impulse Drive (2 sec) > Spinning Edge (2 sec) > Suiton > Gust Slash (2 sec) > Trick Attack > Aeolian Edge (2 sec) > Kassatsu > Mutilate > Raiton > DE (6 sec) > ID (2s) > SF (4 sec) > ID (2s) > Spinning Edge (2s) > Gust Slash (2s) > Doton > Aeolian Edge (2 sec) > Mut (2 sec) > DE (6 sec) > ID (2 sec) > SF (4 sec) > ID (2 sec) > AE (6 sec) > Huton (repeat)

~70s total

Speaking strictly from a theory crafting standpoint as my NIN is currently level 41, someone did a post earlier where the abilities lined up properly. I think what they did was clip the Huton buff once it gets under 30 seconds in the first rotation, since it may be a little off at the start of a battle depending on when you cast/when the tank pulls. I can't remember if it's in this thread or another, and I'm not able to look at the the moment. Aside from that though, I'm not at all in favor of adding a cross class skill that adds a positional requirement to my rotation. I will stand where I want and kick @$$, thank you very much.

/my2cents

Anyone noticed any pop culture, or more specifically anime references with the Rogue / Ninja class or quests.

Grasping at straws for a few, but Doton is ripped straight from Fullmetal Alchemist (a square enix produced manga/anime), with the May's alkahestry.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...tion_Array.JPG

Orobo's past with Kasakuya(sp?) is the story of Naruto and Sasuke (I know that again, but its too coincidental to not be)

The run animation AFAIK invented in anime as a cheap way to draw someone running, ninjas don't actually run like that in RL.

There was a few more Naruto'y references in the story but they were very fine and probably just coincidence.

The villain (whos awesome) takes a lot from Genesis in Crisis core, but infact reminded me a lot more of Shogo Makashima from Psycho-Pass.

I'm only 42 at the moment so i've probably missed a few but I'll be keeping my eye out for more.

So.. does Shadowstalker actually do anything?

I noticed no difference in movement speed while hidden.

I didn't notice any change either, even with weapons drawn.

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Originally Posted by Zish

So.. does Shadowstalker actually do anything?

I noticed no difference in movement speed while hidden.

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I noticed a small buff to movement speed, more notably though it makes Sneak Attack 500 potency like it is in the patch notes.

seems they snuck that one in. eh eh ;D

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Originally Posted by JakzChurchill

I noticed a small buff to movement speed, more notably though it makes Sneak Attack 500 potency like it is in the patch notes.

seems they snuck that one in. eh eh ;D

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Did they just fail to put that in the in-game description of the skills, or do I need to learn to read?

In the french tooltip it say that its upping Sneak Attak Potency but no mention of increased movement speed while hidden, go figure :p

It's another mishap with the English tooltip. It doesn't increase movement speed at all, just increases potency of Sneak Attack.

Ohhh I see. Thanks.

So ninja has been out have anyone here figured out the optimal rotation for both single target(boss) and adds. I won't b home for another week so I'm super hype about the job but I would like to know the best rotation of the rig/nin. Much appreciated the help

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Originally Posted by Butcherboy

So ninja has been out have anyone here figured out the optimal rotation for both single target(boss) and adds. I won't b home for another week so I'm super hype about the job but I would like to know the best rotation of the rig/nin. Much appreciated the help

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Working on that. Preliminary (but somewhat incorrect) version on a previous page, which me and 2 others are working on.

On a different note, I guess Dancing Edge is bugged. You don't have to hit from the flank with it for increased potency, like the tooltip says.

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Originally Posted by dark494

Working on that. Preliminary (but somewhat incorrect) version on a previous page, which me and 2 others are working on.

On a different note, I guess Dancing Edge is bugged. You don't have to hit from the flank with it for increased potency, like the tooltip says.

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The tool tip isn't bugged, it said you get 260 potency when attacking from a flank versus 200.

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Originally Posted by Eardstapa

The tool tip isn't bugged, it said you get 260 potency when attacking from a flank versus 200.

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It actually does seem to be wrong. I tried on every direction, and the damage it dealt was pretty much the same.