Tanks that think they are DPS, just stop...

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Originally Posted by Tankstuff

youre bad, refer to my comment on page 1. No content requires fulltime grit atm

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your job is to stand in front of the boss the whole time with your thumb up your ass waiting for everyone to kill the boss

not exactly the definition of skill now is it? people who take slaying dragons seriously enough to think there is any "skill" associated with it are hilarious. like come on people, enjoy the game sure. but don't fill your head up with bullshit XD raiding is just failing at a scripted event until you find the right way through

the same thing happens at the same time throughout every encounter, everything is telegraphed, everything is predictable and 90% of content doesn't even challenge players to actually plan carefully.

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Originally Posted by KMFDM_Kid2000

All that does is confuses new players and prevents them from playing optimally.

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Urgh, no. the LAST thing we need is new players in DF with full STR accessories as tanks. Please don't. Actually, please don't even do that in DF even if you're pro. save that for competent groups, aka your own friends/static

I don't understand why people are fighting about offensive or defensive tanking.
The healer and dps reaction will define how you can help them. If they decide you are just an enmity sponge, then so be it. If the healer seem bored go for max dps, nobody will blame you.
You can switch stuff inside dungeon too.

MY MAN, a good tank is defined by the party, not tank's personal ablity, if the party is tunnel visioning their dps at maximum you can't even leave tank stance, if you feel you have to do maximum dps as a tank, or the fight is extremely easy or your team is bad at dps...

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Originally Posted by aqskerorokero

MY MAN, a good tank is defined by the party, not tank's personal ablity, if the party is tunnel visioning their dps at maximum you can't even leave tank stance, if you feel you have to do maximum dps as a tank, or the fight is extremely easy or your team is bad at dps...

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Lucid Dream? Refresh? Diversion? Shirk? Shadewalker?

I'm sure the speed kill parties with tanks that start in DPS stance have bad dps. /s

Actually even without aggro control, you can get away with one(maybe two) Halone combos and just swap to SO as long your ilvl is on par or higher than the DPS's.

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Originally Posted by aqskerorokero

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That's just straight up wrong though, especially with shirk around now its easier to stay in DPS stance even if the DDs are going ham. Have you people never done progression raiding? You aren't over geared you aren't fed top of the line tome gear yet every drop of DPS counts to push that next phase.

What is so wrong with us wanting to maximize the efficiency of our class? If we can survive and hold agro what the hell is wrong with us pushing an inch further? Everyone that says "tanks don't need to dps" either doesn't tank or doesn't do end game raiding because you wouldn't have that mind set otherwise. It's about squeezing every last bit I can get out of my class.

If some of you guys are content about being a sponge, a turtle and just stand there then by all means but don't go about saying "tanks don't need to dps" cause why the fuck not? I'm not asking to be big dick top dps, but I don't want to feel like I have a foam axe either.

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Originally Posted by Oxino

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as long both options exist ppl go to be fighting, technically defensive tanking is the standar one and the intented desing, but yeah we have radicals how take the defensive tanking to the extreme of only doing emity combos on tank stance with is complety wrong, a tank need to use all they tool kit.

agresive tanking is the most controversial one, they radicals here are extreme rude and claim tanking in dps stance is the only true way and if you dont do it you are bad, funny bcs tank stance its just a pasive buff/debuff most that another thing, and the normal ones how defend stance dancing depending of the situation but giving priority to be off tank stance if you can.

this is something like the old cleric stance problem, but the problem of tanks depend most of stats and pasive buffs that player skills, most of defensive tanks use all they skill set but dont like how whe have to sacrifice our pasive defense for extra damage making us feel less tanky and add more stress on other jobs when tanking means make everybody llife more easy.

I know most of you are all being sarcastic a**holes but the OP was stating a fact that all the tanks are trying to play their class like a dps instead of doing your job which is to tank. Yes you do dps and no you will never be at the top of the dps charts and you shouldn't be. I understand you want to optimize your dps for faster runs or downing harder content that makes sense and I get that logic. However your job is to sock damage and HOLD threat. So if you're wearing all these STR accessories just so you can do more dmg because you "want to be the very best that no one ever was" does not make you "pro-tank". It makes it harder on the healer to keep your role confused self alive when you try to pull the whole dungeon or for those tank busters. So leave the dpsing for the dps classes and be happy with what your class can dish out as is.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

I suspect a lot of them are complaining because they got used to the MTing in DpS stance meta and the new meta and they fear that the new meta is going to force them to tank in tank stance hurting their dps parses.

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BINGO!


You won't get many agreeing with you, but I do.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

A more likely scenario is that a tank in tank stance doing a proper optimized dps rotation will be able to generate enough enmity to hold hate.

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Now that is some bad tank design right there. Given how 1 (WAR) is required to be in dps stance to do anything close to a optimized rotation, and a second (DRK) also does not enjoy the kit it loses in grit.

See you are all for the Pally/Pally meta.