[Dev 1009] Force Pop HNM's FTW

[Karbuncle]

so why support something if the proposed change has problems? just because it is slighty better then it was is not a reason to support something.

it can be better and it should be better.

leave the system alone till you can come up with something reasonable ( to se)

there has been some good points in the past pages.

Because nothing is perfect. Someone will always find a reason to bitch or complain about something.

If the pop items dropped from Darters, there would be Whines form all corners of the earth about FFXI continuing to spoon feed people.

Basically what Flunk said, I'll take a Half-way Improvement over nothing at all. Theres a good chance they may add on this system in some way. You will never make a perfect system where everyone is happy, But i'll take a System with a few flaws, over one with a lot of flaws any day.

Does that mean i wouldn't accept fixes to this system? no. I'd gladly accept any updates/Fixes to this system that they want too add. But right now its an improvement over the old ways, even if its a small one, it gets the ball rollin' as Flunk said.

So, IN closing, I support the idea that this is an improvement, and its a step in the right direction. it may not be a perfect solution, but its a start. Plus theres a good chance Black Belt will be crap by 99 anyway, as SE hinted at wanted to "out-do" Black belt for MNKs by 99.

[Rambus]

How about no.. I'll take a halfway improvement to get the ball rolling..

Who's to say they wont add new ways to get these items in the future anyways.. kindred crest bcnm's maybe

why do you think we are here? we are here to comment on the game and tell SE what changes might spark problems and to think about what they are doing.

this half way method does not work, they tried it with so meny things. They ether get forgotten or all of a sudden it is we cannot fix it because it takes too much time to fix it.

so now they need to approch things differently, get it right the first time or do not do it at all. At lest have well thought out ideas insted half baked ideas. This is not well thought out. I would like more details stated in order to deal with the lower drop rates and so on.

Because nothing is perfect. Someone will always find a reason to bitch or complain about something.

If the pop items dropped from Darters, there would be Whines form all corners of the earth about FFXI continuing to spoon feed people.

Basically what Flunk said, I'll take a Half-way Improvement over nothing at all. Theres a good chance they may add on this system in some way. You will never make a perfect system where everyone is happy, But i'll take a System with a few flaws, over one with a lot of flaws any day.

Does that mean i wouldn't accept fixes to this system? no. I'd gladly accept any updates/Fixes to this system that they want too add. But right now its an improvement over the old ways, even if its a small one, it gets the ball rollin' as Flunk said.

So, IN closing, I support the idea that this is an improvement, and its a step in the right direction. it may not be a perfect solution, but its a start. Plus theres a good chance Black Belt will be crap by 99 anyway, as SE hinted at wanted to "out-do" Black belt for MNKs by 99.

lets see. translastion : accpet anything SE gives us and call it an improvement, uh no.

I am not a sheep sorry. I do not accept polished turd. that is like asking someone what is better this turd or a polished turd.

[Karbuncle]

why do you think we are here? we are here to comment on the game and tell SE what changes might spark problems and to think about what they are doing.

this half way method does not work, they tried it with so meny things. They ether get forgotten or all of a sudden it is we cannot fix it because it takes too much time to fix it.

so now they need to approch things differently, get it right the first time or do not do it at all. At lest have well thought out ideas insted half baked ideas. This is not well thought out. I would like more details stated in order to deal with the lower drop rates and so on.



lets see. translastion : accpet anything SE gives us and call it an improvement, uh no.

I am not a sheep sorry

You really shouldn't translate things when you apparently can't understand basic English.

So, IN closing, I support the idea that this is an improvement, and its a step in the right direction

See this right here? This is me saying I think the Idea is a Step in the Right direction. Implying i think its a good start.

Does that mean i wouldn't accept fixes to this system? no. I'd gladly accept any updates/Fixes

See this neat little quote? This implies I believe the System isn't perfect, and would enjoy the idea that it could be expanded and patched in the future. but as it stands, I accept this as an Improvement over the Previous Methods.

it may not be a perfect solution, but its a start

Oh look? I imply once again the system is not perfect, A.K.A Flawed, But i also believe Its a good step up.



So i'll spell it out for you. I'm not sheepishly following and praising them for perfecting Kings, I'm praising them for making a step in the right direction. The System needs Improvements and adjustments, but As it is I feel is better than the old system, but not as good as it could be. Its hard to make something more accessible without making it too Easy. Cause if its too Easy it gets criticism like abyssea does.

Its hard to find a balance, But this is a Start, Its not perfect. I'd take this Small adjustment over doing it the old way. This System has its flaws, But they are less numerous than the old system, and in the end more opportunities for players to fight these NMs will arise.

[Rambus]

See this right here? This is me saying I think the Idea is a Step in the Right direction. Implying i think its a good start.

I don't, they made 1/2 baked ideas countless times where they never change them, change them 4-5 years late, or claim they cannot fix it anymore.

oh hey! just like this one well i guess 2-3 years late is better then 5.

so now we get to tell them ahead of time, hey this will cause problems, step back and think about it, instead of accepting it "step in the right direction" could be wrong if they continue advance in the wrong direction. quit defending them, all it does is slow down the change.

[Karbuncle]

I don't, they made 1/2 baked ideas countless times where they never change them, change them 4-5 years late, or claim they cannot fix it anymore.

oh hey! just like this one well i guess 2-3 years late is better then 5.

Better late than never. I don't care how cliche that saying is. This update would have been very useful years ago, I never once suggested or stated otherwise, Have i?

You seem to just love to complain about everything. Why are you still playing this game? You hate your relic is outdated, You hate on every new update teaser, You pretty much hate everything that doesn't fit perfectly with your ideas of the game, and criticize anyone who has a different opinion than you or is happy with the game.

Why do you play? Why do you continue to give them 12.95/month just so you can hate the game and what they're doing with it?

Edit: In regards to your whole Save-face backpedaling there. There is no way they're going to say "Oh gee, I guess you guys are right, We'll stop doing this now". We have to accept that. Its an unfortunate fact. There will never be enough force of will, Online-petitions, etc to change that.

So while i do not entirely agree with this System in EVERY WAY, I feel if We give them suggestions and improvements for future updates to this system, We have a better chance of seeing it, rather than saying "I hate this, Stop npw".

For instance, Give NQ's their BB items back, and give HQ's their 100% again. This was an adjustment that didn't need to be made. the "SE giveth, SE taketh away" method of updates should have died in 2006 with that Dev team.

[Rambus]

spaming replay -.- i did not have time to edit/ tune my post, you need to learn this:

so now we get to tell them ahead of time, hey this will cause problems, step back and think about it, instead of accepting it "step in the right direction" could be wrong if they continue advance in the wrong direction. quit defending them, all it does is slow down the change

that is why things have been movign slowly people even did it for FFXIV, look what happens

So while i do not entirely agree with this System in EVERY WAY, I feel if We give them suggestions and improvements for future updates to this system, We have a better chance of seeing it, rather than saying "I hate this, Stop npw"

then why are you fighting me, i pointed out that it makes it harder to get BB items then you say no its easier????

[Henihhi]

Your opinions have been voiced over and over throughout these pages Rambus. Just because it's not good for YOU at this moment in time, doesn't mean it isn't opening up a lot more chances for other people. Either way, you have plenty of time before it is implemented to go camp kings for your ONE shot a day. So have at it! Because 1 chance for 1 person is better than multiple chances for multiple groups apparently. Thank god I have had this belt for a job i barely use for years because o wait- it was never that hard to get in the first place.

[blowfin]

Better late than never. I don't care how cliche that saying is.

- Rome wasn't built in a day
- Don't look a gift horse in the mouth
- A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush
- The grass is always greener

Can I go on? plz?

[Karbuncle]

spaming replay -.- i did not have time to edit/ tune my post, you need to learn this:

so now we get to tell them ahead of time, hey this will cause problems, step back and think about it, instead of accepting it "step in the right direction" could be wrong if they continue advance in the wrong direction. quit defending them, all it does is slow down the change

that is why things have been movign slowly people even did it for FFXIV, look what happens



then why are you fighting me, i pointed out that it makes it harder to get BB items then you say no its easier????

Because it is Easier. Just because its not easier for you and your 3 friends who apparently don't own a single Kindred Seal, doesn't mean its not easier for those players who have never had the Time/ToD to camp old NMs (I know its not a strong excuse...)

And FFXIV didn't flop because people weren't whining about every detail, its that they did whine and SE still rushed FFXIV out the window in a Shitty-Still-Beta Crap-fest of no Content and Horrible Basic Mechanic Flaws.

[Rambus]

Because it is Easier. Just because its not easier for you and your 3 friends who apparently don't own a single Kindred Seal, doesn't mean its not easier for those players who have never had the Time/ToD to camp old NMs (I know its not a strong excuse...)

And FFXIV didn't flop because people weren't whining about every detail, its that they did whine and SE still rushed FFXIV out the window in a Shitty-Still-Beta Crap-fest of no Content and Horrible Basic Mechanic Flaws.

read the update notes , makes bb items harder to get