[Dev 1009] Force Pop HNM's FTW

[Rambus]

That`s funny, your supporters in this thread are very few indeed. I have to wonder who you actually asked and the way in which you phrased the questions.



Blind? Now you are straight forward attacking people who disagree with you.

I attack people? thats funny. I am not sitting here telling people "stop ctying" or "accpet it or else".

in otherwords i disagree i am being attacked more, and was first to be attacked.

I am not going to sit here and accpet everything that is giving to me. I am told it is good, i am not accpeting it if it is bad I am not a sheep.

[blowfin]

I am not going to sit here and accpet everything that is giving to me. I am told it is good, i am not accpeting it if it is bad I am not a sheep.

Yes but you have plainly ignored rational posters in here, and now you are calling people `blind`. Don`t you see a problem in there somewhere? I mean, you yourself called for some decorum in here the other day, and now you`re failing to deliver on your own request.

And besides, any assumption about drop rates at the moment is pure speculation. Don`t get so worked up over something we don`t even know yet.

[Karbuncle]

so far everyone I talked to in game thinks this update is stupid, supporters of this update is a minority

no idea how you can be so blind to say otherwise.

you can stand there and say i am crying all you want, I am not a sheep I do not accpet something because someone goes "here". it is a bad update.

Can't really say i agree with you. You

shouldn't think "But this doesn't help me, so it sucks" and instead "Well, before only 1 mob popped per day, It left a lot of people out, Especially if the window fell into Early AM and people needed to sleep, Now everyone has a chance to kill it regardless of time of day, and TODeath, so long as they have seals to do so, Or can join a friend for it"

It may not help each and every person, But i think its going to benefit more people in the end than the old system. While the update could have gone without the Nerfing of BB Drop rate form NQ/HQ... I don't know what more to add. I'm getting kinda bored trying to explain this to you. You simply do not and cannot understand.

This Update is an Improvement, It won't be to every single 1 person, But it will be to the majority. In the old System, You had to take things like ToD into account (Say its due to pop @ 1AM, Most people have jobs and need to sleep, They're Screwed), That only 1 Group per 24 hours has a chance, (Meaning, Everyone who didn't claim now not only doesn't fight the NM, but has 0 chance at drop). Botting is null at this point since the major botters left HNMs a long time ago.

With this update, Each person has a fair chance to pop the NM. They don't have to wait for ToD, they can wake up and get an Orb, or wake up and Farm some Kindred seals while LFG, cause i guarantee half of them spend 90% of the time sitting in port Jeuno looking at shouts or browsing the internet waiting for something to fall in their lap. Basically they have the freedom to now chose when they want to kill it, and not have to worry about competitor campers (to an EXTENT), or losing claim and being screwed for the next 24 hours, etc!

Even though it won't benefit every single person, It will benefit more people than the old system. Which is an Improvement. Of course its not going to be an improvement to every player if they don't want it too/have no Kindred Seals, But for the most part more people will Benefit. Maybe not much more, but more.

[Karbuncle]

I attack people? thats funny. I am not sitting here telling people "stop ctying" or "accpet it or else".

in otherwords i disagree i am being attacked more, and was first to be attacked.

I am not going to sit here and accpet everything that is giving to me. I am told it is good, i am not accpeting it if it is bad I am not a sheep.

I don't remember anyone saying "Be happy or else". I probably missed it.

also, Look up the definition of Crying. Its not only about Tears.

cry·ing (krng)
adj.
1. Demanding or requiring action or attention: a crying need.
2. Abominable; reprehensible

Point 1 Seems to fit.

You just assumed by "Crying" i meant "Like a baby in tears" when it fact i meant option1 on the above.

[Flunklesnarkin]

So far all I've seen rambus do is complain about every single dev discussion topic...

I wonder why he even plays the game at all lol

[Tannlore]

It may not help each and every person, But i think its going to benefit more people in the end than the old system. While the update could have gone without the Nerfing of BB Drop rate form NQ/HQ... I don't know what more to add. I'm getting kinda bored trying to explain this to you. You simply do not and cannot understand.

This Update is an Improvement, It won't be to every single 1 person, But it will be to the majority. In the old System, You had to take things like ToD into account (Say its due to pop @ 1AM, Most people have jobs and need to sleep, They're Screwed), That only 1 Group per 24 hours has a chance, (Meaning, Everyone who didn't claim now not only doesn't fight the NM, but has 0 chance at drop). Botting is null at this point since the major botters left HNMs a long time ago.

This, exactly this. This new system will give more people more shots at chances to get the items. The drop rates were lowered because you can spawn the nms petty much when ever you pleased. This is definitely an improvement over the old system. Not perfect, but an improvement. I think people are just mad because it doesn't fit their idea of what might be perfect in their eyes. But at least it is something.

As for the drop rate, yes it has been reduced. However, by how much? I see a lot of QQ but can anyone provide any concrete numbers yet? An exact amount if you please? Can you? No, you can't because it hasn't come out yet. You may be getting upset over a lot of nothing. It might not be reduced so drastically you practically never see the items drop you know. Might be 40%, hell 30% even. That's tons better than a lot of items out there I can easily think of. Even some in abyssea that drop with blue !! triggered.

Reserve the complaints on drop rates until you actually experience the drop rate. You have no clue what the reduction is until you experience. Why get aggravated over an unknown quantity? In the end, there's a lot of people out there who will have a shot at an nm the either would have never gotten a chance at, or would have had to merc/pay to get items for. I'm glad they changed this.

[Rambus]

Everything that was pro- this update was not rational

"this update is good because ill make more people make pts outside abyssea" is rational???? when in the hell did people say "I am going to level off X or y for BCs or KS?. that has to be the weakest argument for this update. Who even needs exp anymore?

the only thing i understand is I want this update so i can use my huge pile of KS for Dring, scew everyone else that does not have a stockpile. That is unfair and selfish.

The other "jist" that i understand is people see "king force pops - good" without caring about details.

then the last one:

"we are getting an update don't complain" It is not an update if old way > new way.
There is nothing rational about this update, same goes for the comments that support it. (speaking BB items)

Reserve the complaints on drop rates until you actually experience the drop rate. You have no clue what the reduction is until you experience. Why get aggravated over an unknown quantity? In the end, there's a lot of people out there who will have a shot at an nm the either would have never gotten a chance at, or would have had to merc/pay to get items for. I'm glad they changed this.

dont need numbers, no drops from NQ, lower from HQ, and unknowen drop rate for HQ pop makes it stupid for bb items

[Karbuncle]

Everything that was pro- this update was not rational



the only thing i understand is I want this update so i can use my huge pile of KS for Dring, scew everyone else that does not have a stockpile. That is unfair and selfish.

I'm sorry? As opposed to "You didn't claim, You're screwed!" not being selfish?

You don't really seem to understand the whole concept of "Yes, Not everyone will benefit from this, but in reality more people will benefit from this than the old system"

its not a perfect improvement, but it is an improvement.

Exactly like the old system, People will be left out, But with this new system LESS people will be left out.

[Rambus]

I'm sorry? As opposed to "You didn't claim, You're screwed!" not being selfish?

You don't really seem to understand the whole concept of "Yes, Not everyone will benefit from this, but in reality more people will benefit from this than the old system"

its not a perfect improvement, but it is an improvement.

Exactly like the old system, People will be left out, But with this new system LESS people will be left out.

so why support something if the proposed change has problems? just because it is slighty better then it was is not a reason to support something.

it can be better and it should be better.

leave the system alone till you can come up with something reasonable ( to se)

there has been some good points in the past pages.

[Flunklesnarkin]

How about no.. I'll take a halfway improvement to get the ball rolling..

Who's to say they wont add new ways to get these items in the future anyways.. kindred crest bcnm's maybe