[Dev 1009] Force Pop HNM's FTW

[MarkovChain]

i swear at one point i read the idea of someone suggesting force-pop Kings, and it being met with open praise. Now that we got it, its the same crying. It goes to show no matter what SE Does, people will always complain.

Because you only see what you want to see. People wanted pop-Kings for their black belt nothing else. The next system will be about the same as the previous KS99 system with a slighty increase in chance to get it. It's right to cock block that much through KS99 for items like defending ring, but not for the item 1/6th of the population wants. I find all the reactions like "you wanted pop kind now you got it" dumb because if you look at it's a +1 version of the fail KS99 system. Before the next VU : 1500KS to get a black belt, post VU .. 1K ? And your friends want a black belt too. And your friends could have lend you 4M for a BB too., and guess what they could ALSO have lend you 99KS for the current system ?

[blowfin]

That`s funny, your supporters in this thread are very few indeed. I have to wonder who you actually asked and the way in which you phrased the questions.

no idea how you can be so blind to say otherwise.

Blind? Now you are straight forward attacking people who disagree with you.

I think all but 1 person forgot NPC's were getting their level raised to ~95 soon. This will give a lot of us incentive to exp in the old areas too to level them up.

There's also the good chance that they might add more reasons to visit old areas in the upcoming teaser notes to be an addendum to this update causing players to want to be outside for more than just KS, but at the same time involve killing and in turn getting KS.

Yeah just add leveling your NPC to the list of things to do outside outside Abyss. It`s not like there`s a lack of options between Magian, FoV, etc. And we don`t even know what the new Grounds of Valour system is going to bring. Make no mistake, people are getting plenty of options outside, but that sentimental notion of the 6 man party is something that people are probably going to have to let go of.

[Rambus]

That`s funny, your supporters in this thread are very few indeed. I have to wonder who you actually asked and the way in which you phrased the questions.



Blind? Now you are straight forward attacking people who disagree with you.

I attack people? thats funny. I am not sitting here telling people "stop ctying" or "accpet it or else".

in otherwords i disagree i am being attacked more, and was first to be attacked.

I am not going to sit here and accpet everything that is giving to me. I am told it is good, i am not accpeting it if it is bad I am not a sheep.

[Karbuncle]

I attack people? thats funny. I am not sitting here telling people "stop ctying" or "accpet it or else".

in otherwords i disagree i am being attacked more, and was first to be attacked.

I am not going to sit here and accpet everything that is giving to me. I am told it is good, i am not accpeting it if it is bad I am not a sheep.

I don't remember anyone saying "Be happy or else". I probably missed it.

also, Look up the definition of Crying. Its not only about Tears.

cry·ing (krng)
adj.
1. Demanding or requiring action or attention: a crying need.
2. Abominable; reprehensible

Point 1 Seems to fit.

You just assumed by "Crying" i meant "Like a baby in tears" when it fact i meant option1 on the above.

[Staren]

Why does it have to be people crying or jumping on the kneel at the feet of the dev team bandwagon. Some of us love the idea and hate the implementation. They asked for feed back and we spend a lot of time arguing whether or not we are whining and should be thankful or that you're a fanboy and need to admit this isn't reasonable. I do appreciate the dev teams work but I think they should be listening to these comments and come up with another pop method outside of these ideas. Otherwise after a few months these will go the way of a lot of other content and become things people used to do but dont bother to do anymore like campaign, scnms, znm's, etc.

[blowfin]

I am not going to sit here and accpet everything that is giving to me. I am told it is good, i am not accpeting it if it is bad I am not a sheep.

Yes but you have plainly ignored rational posters in here, and now you are calling people `blind`. Don`t you see a problem in there somewhere? I mean, you yourself called for some decorum in here the other day, and now you`re failing to deliver on your own request.

And besides, any assumption about drop rates at the moment is pure speculation. Don`t get so worked up over something we don`t even know yet.

[Rambus]

Everything that was pro- this update was not rational

"this update is good because ill make more people make pts outside abyssea" is rational???? when in the hell did people say "I am going to level off X or y for BCs or KS?. that has to be the weakest argument for this update. Who even needs exp anymore?

the only thing i understand is I want this update so i can use my huge pile of KS for Dring, scew everyone else that does not have a stockpile. That is unfair and selfish.

The other "jist" that i understand is people see "king force pops - good" without caring about details.

then the last one:

"we are getting an update don't complain" It is not an update if old way > new way.
There is nothing rational about this update, same goes for the comments that support it. (speaking BB items)

Reserve the complaints on drop rates until you actually experience the drop rate. You have no clue what the reduction is until you experience. Why get aggravated over an unknown quantity? In the end, there's a lot of people out there who will have a shot at an nm the either would have never gotten a chance at, or would have had to merc/pay to get items for. I'm glad they changed this.

dont need numbers, no drops from NQ, lower from HQ, and unknowen drop rate for HQ pop makes it stupid for bb items

[Karbuncle]

Everything that was pro- this update was not rational



the only thing i understand is I want this update so i can use my huge pile of KS for Dring, scew everyone else that does not have a stockpile. That is unfair and selfish.

I'm sorry? As opposed to "You didn't claim, You're screwed!" not being selfish?

You don't really seem to understand the whole concept of "Yes, Not everyone will benefit from this, but in reality more people will benefit from this than the old system"

its not a perfect improvement, but it is an improvement.

Exactly like the old system, People will be left out, But with this new system LESS people will be left out.

[Rambus]

I'm sorry? As opposed to "You didn't claim, You're screwed!" not being selfish?

You don't really seem to understand the whole concept of "Yes, Not everyone will benefit from this, but in reality more people will benefit from this than the old system"

its not a perfect improvement, but it is an improvement.

Exactly like the old system, People will be left out, But with this new system LESS people will be left out.

so why support something if the proposed change has problems? just because it is slighty better then it was is not a reason to support something.

it can be better and it should be better.

leave the system alone till you can come up with something reasonable ( to se)

there has been some good points in the past pages.

[Karbuncle]

so why support something if the proposed change has problems? just because it is slighty better then it was is not a reason to support something.

it can be better and it should be better.

leave the system alone till you can come up with something reasonable ( to se)

there has been some good points in the past pages.

Because nothing is perfect. Someone will always find a reason to bitch or complain about something.

If the pop items dropped from Darters, there would be Whines form all corners of the earth about FFXI continuing to spoon feed people.

Basically what Flunk said, I'll take a Half-way Improvement over nothing at all. Theres a good chance they may add on this system in some way. You will never make a perfect system where everyone is happy, But i'll take a System with a few flaws, over one with a lot of flaws any day.

Does that mean i wouldn't accept fixes to this system? no. I'd gladly accept any updates/Fixes to this system that they want too add. But right now its an improvement over the old ways, even if its a small one, it gets the ball rollin' as Flunk said.

So, IN closing, I support the idea that this is an improvement, and its a step in the right direction. it may not be a perfect solution, but its a start. Plus theres a good chance Black Belt will be crap by 99 anyway, as SE hinted at wanted to "out-do" Black belt for MNKs by 99.