[Dev 1009] Force Pop HNM's FTW

[Staren]

Eeek people who dont have bb by now couldnt afford the 3 mil pricetag on the bb items to begin with. I dont see people having gil being the make or break factor of this new system. I'm glad you're excited to do KSNM 99's but this will only be a solution for everyone until their ks's run out. Then you spend at least 2.5 hrs farming a pop for a ksnm 99 if you're lucky and dont get crests or bs's and if the items drop exactly within the 5 min mark of the last drop. Also I dont accredit the mnk in aurore body and shoes, okotes, a brown belt, and a poor mans empy acting like he's hot shit in abyssea with a single brain cell and I bet people like him will be getting a blackbelt by opening this up to the public.

Not all of us were screaming for hnm's to be opened to the public. And no before you start I am not in an HNM ls, I dont do hnm's unless they're up and uncamped and someone wanted to do them for s's and g's. I also have no problem with SE updating outside of abby content but if they're removing the bb drops from the nq whats the harm with making it like ENM's and give it open to the public to pop each hnm once every 3 days per person. If the hq pop drop rate is just as rare as monarchs orb it wont be a problem of over inflation of bb items. Just saying if se really wanted to open this up to people they'd have made it something way less ridiculous than a system that'll putter out after a few months once ppl run out of ks's and dont feel like taking the hours on end to farm ks's to build another pop.

[hiko]

Nah, only dumb people without friends or gil think this will make a Black Belt harder to get.

and people who have >2account and can let one full time inDA/VoS/BD full time to get tod while playing on other account

[Shoko]

Wondering why people are bawing over this change. This update will literally make obtaining Wyrm Beard and Behemoth Tongue cake to get, and Adaman Egg only mildly annoying to get.

I mean, does any of you complainers know how much King Behemoth and Nidhogg will be spammed post update? This considering the fact that SE won't drop the drop rate of BB items below at least 50%, I'm pretty sure the guys in charge have full well considered that you're gonna be ponying up 99 KS seals. Speaking for at least Beard & Tongue, you'll be able to leech off of someone else's NM, seeing as they'll likely be after Defending Ring or N Legs Abj instead.

[MarkovChain]

Give me a reason for people that don't want BB to waste their seal on Fafnir or Adamantoise. What's a better ingame item than defending ring ? Why would people waste their only chance at this item until their next stack of KS is full, probably serveral months ? Want to know what will happen ? Everyone and their sister will empty their seals on behemoths bcnms. Everyone. This will be the new kraken club bcnm.

[Eeek]

Eeek people who dont have bb by now couldnt afford the 3 mil pricetag on the bb items to begin with. I dont see people having gil being the make or break factor of this new system. I'm glad you're excited to do KSNM 99's but this will only be a solution for everyone until their ks's run out. Then you spend at least 2.5 hrs farming a pop for a ksnm 99 if you're lucky and dont get crests or bs's and if the items drop exactly within the 5 min mark of the last drop. Also I dont accredit the mnk in aurore body and shoes, okotes, a brown belt, and a poor mans empy acting like he's hot shit in abyssea with a single brain cell and I bet people like him will be getting a blackbelt by opening this up to the public.

Not all of us were screaming for hnm's to be opened to the public. And no before you start I am not in an HNM ls, I dont do hnm's unless they're up and uncamped and someone wanted to do them for s's and g's. I also have no problem with SE updating outside of abby content but if they're removing the bb drops from the nq whats the harm with making it like ENM's and give it open to the public to pop each hnm once every 3 days per person. If the hq pop drop rate is just as rare as monarchs orb it wont be a problem of over inflation of bb items. Just saying if se really wanted to open this up to people they'd have made it something way less ridiculous than a system that'll putter out after a few months once ppl run out of ks's and dont feel like taking the hours on end to farm ks's to build another pop.

I've never been in an HNM LS, and I for one am glad that Kindred Seals have a use again. Also, re-read the first post. The pop-items for the next stage (KS99 -> NQ HNM -> HQ HNM) are 100% drops.

You seem so concerned about the removal of BB items from the NQ HNMs. Why? In this new system, MNKs will have two chances at a BB item per NM cycle (KS99 and HQ HNM). Oh, and everyone in a 6man party can bring along their own pops. Tell me, how is that worse than one non-guaranteed opportunity at a BB item once every 21-24 hours.

I can't imagine that most people are thinking this adjustment through at all.

[Garota]

I just wanted to add... This is the worst 4/20 idea ever... Somebody at SE been smokin' and tokin' too much ganja, started overthinking and overanalyzing what would be a better way to get BB items...

[Eeek]

Give me a reason for people that don't want BB to waste their seal on Fafnir or Adamantoise. What's a better ingame item than defending ring ? Why would people waste their only chance at this item until their next stack of KS is full, probably serveral months ? Want to know what will happen ? Everyone and their sister will empty their seals on behemoths bcnms. Everyone. This will be the new kraken club bcnm.

People in Abyssea groups never help each other with those worthless Empyrean Weapon Items in Visions zones. Nope. No-sir-ee. People do all the weapons completely solo. Yep. I solo Glavoid like a bawse.

I also solo all the NMs I need Empyrean Armor +2 items. Doesn't everyone? I can't think of a single reason why I'd help my friends with their NMs. Nope, not at all.

And if a friend asks for help with HQ Turtle for their final BB item, I'll spit in their face. If they want it badly enough they'll solo it.

Geez Pchan, are you that unfamiliar with the concept of friendship?

[Xenotime]

TBH this is one of the dumbest things you can do. He is why. If you maker us use KS, which i know i have like 100 of, from doing the bcnm for the NOT 100% drops for BB, Now i have to go waste my time, trying to get more KS, WHich once agian, has shit drop rates. SO what your telling me is. FUCK YOU, YOU CANT HAVE YOUR BLACK BELT. ANd i ante with, ok do it, and watch people quit, and you lose money.


HOWEVER, I think the BB items should be questable or either 100% drop, cause then you can move the players through the game faster, but no, like make it harder, lets nerf ninja, lets nerf ranger. Come on 17 pages of no in less than a day... Maybe that tell you something.

How about the BB items, are poped via KI from the NPC that gives teh quest, Say pay 500k each for them, and then nothing else drops from the NM. Then there wont be as much competition for the Kings, for other items.

[Staren]

If you read the post HQ Pop item isnt 100% they only put the disclaimer for the at least 100% on the ksnm 99's. So you can do 6 KSNM's and get 6 pops for NQ and do 6 NQ's and get 0-1 hq pops. This is how SE works dont fool yourself into thinking you'll get 100% HQ pops. I am HAPPY not concerned about the removal from NQ's because I dont think every monk deserves a black belt. I feel like the blackbelt is your right of passage and you need to earn it through gil or camping/claiming the nms yourself.

I have thought this adjustment through and the point of this is to open the nms up to the public. HNM LS's that bot claimed had access to all three nms every day of the week for years. Why is it silly to give people access to all three nm's once every three days instead of making them only have access to one of the three nms as long as they have 99 ks's and the ppl to do the ksnm. This is a system that will open up access to these nms only so long as they have ks's and that wont last long with ppl having to shell out 99 a pop for one try at an hq pop. I'd rather if they were going to open it up to the public that they'd give us similar access as the hnm bot ls's had.

[Twille]

My only suggestion would be to have the HQ versions have a chance to drop the NQ pop item (low chance) so that you don't have to farm KS over, and over, and over...