[Dev 1009] Force Pop HNM's FTW

[Kunihiro]

This is nothing compared to having to get up at stupid times waiting 3 hours to try and claim Fafnir, Aspi, KB. Getting 99 KS to get BB items is far less annoying then camping these days on end only to lose the claim most of the time.

You actually had to be there for a couple seconds, every 30 minutes.

[Rambus]

FTW? this system is horrible, first you have to get 99 KS, go to pop the NM and have a lesser drop rate for BB items???????????????/

this seems like a step back, not a step forward.

o How to obtain the trigger items:

Fafnir: Treasure from “Early Bird Catches the Wyrm”
Nidhogg: Treasure dropped by Fafnir
Behemoth: Treasure from “Horns of War”
King Behemoth: Treasure dropped by Behemoth
Adamantoise: Treasure from “The Hills are Alive”
Aspidochelone: Treasure dropped by Adamantoise

* At least one of these items will be dropped in every battle.

o The treasures dropped by the following notorious monsters will be adjusted as follows:

Fafnir : Wyrm Beard removed
Nidhogg : Drop rate of Wyrm Beard decreased
Behemoth : Behemoth Tongue removed
King Behemoth : Drop rate of Behemoth Tongue decreased
Adamantoise : Adamantoise Egg removed
Aspidochelone : Drop rate of Adamantoise Egg decreased

I think SE has lost thier mind I am shocked

[Karbuncle]

FTW? this system is horrible, first you have to get 99 KS, go to pop the NM and have a lesser drop rate for BB items???????????????/

this seems like a step back, not a step forward.

Are you referring to them removing BB drops from NQ's?
*Edit: Saw they decreased it for kings, Thats fuck-stupid.

Yah that was retarded. but from the way the update notes sound, Each KSNM/NM has a chance to drop more than one pop (Says "At least 1"). So we could go do a KSNM99, and get 2 pops for Fafnir, Kill faf and get 2 pops for Nid, multiplying your chances to pop him exponentially.

For those people without kindred seals when the update roles around, Its gunna suck. But you have about ~20 days to go farm some Kindred seals lol, Go Solo some Fields of Valor for a bit. Get some pops ready before the update :P

Uh, name one EX item you can sell or trade? I don't know of any items labelled EX that can ever pass out of your characters hands, beyond that of vendoring it to an NPC at least.. (That's exactly what EX is - it stands for Exclusive, as in Exclusive to your possession.) There are non-ex items that have odd selling properties.. (Can't be vendored or AH'd, or even mailed.. but can be bazaared or traded. But that wasn't what Starcade was referring to or afraid of.)

People sell EX items all the time. You buy the Lotting rights essentially.

For instance, Someone selling Byakko's Haidate, They'd kill the NM, if it drops, You pay them, Lot item.

[Krisan]

People sell EX items all the time. You buy the Lotting rights essentially.

For instance, Someone selling Byakko's Haidate, They'd kill the NM, if it drops, You pay them, Lot item.

I edited my post to clarify this after posting - as it occurred to me what he probably meant by "sell" a second after I hit submit, apparently you replied just as I did that. XD

Yes I know, but this is pretty impractical for a lot of people. I think whether the items are EX or not is a valid concern. (I've little stake in this change myself, I'm mostly okay with it actually as a matter of fact, but clarity on stuff like this is nice for those that are concerned.)

[Rambus]

Are you referring to them removing BB drops from NQ's?
*Edit: Saw they decreased it for kings, Thats fuck-stupid.

Yah that was retarded. but from the way the update notes sound, Each KSNM/NM has a chance to drop more than one pop (Says "At least 1"). So we could go do a KSNM99, and get 2 pops for Fafnir, Kill faf and get 2 pops for Nid, multiplying your chances to pop him exponentially.

For those people without kindred seals when the update roles around, Its gunna suck. But you have about ~20 days to go farm some Kindred seals lol, Go Solo some Fields of Valor for a bit. Get some pops ready before the update :P



People sell EX items all the time. You buy the Lotting rights essentially.

For instance, Someone selling Byakko's Haidate, They'd kill the NM, if it drops, You pay them, Lot item.

you have any idea how low drop rate is for egg already in the ksnm? no idea what it is like for NM then you tack on the time farming for KS ( i do not see meny of these in abyssea, where people only do events)

I have to say old way would give you a better chance of getting items then this way I really question if they play this game at all.

I have to say this update note has to be the most stupid one I seen yet.

[Karbuncle]

you have any idea how low drop rate is for egg already in the ksnm? no idea what it is like for NM then you tack on the time farming for KS ( i do not see meny of these in abyssea, where people only do events)

I have to say old way would give you a better chance of getting items then this way I really question if they play this game at all

Think you're being entirely too pessimistic. We don't know how much they decreased drop rate on the Kings. It could literally be ~20% less %, Still giving us a high high chance.

I don't deny this could have been handled much better, But in the end i think for the majority of players, it will turn out to be a positive.

Admittedly there will be several who are screwed by it... Like apparently you yourself, since you don't have any Kindred seals or friends at all. (apparently, Only basing this off you saying it would basically be impossible for you to get it now)

[Rambus]

Think you're being entirely too pessimistic. We don't know how much they decreased drop rate on the Kings. It could literally be ~20% less %, Still giving us a high high chance.

I don't deny this could have been handled much better, But in the end i think for the majority of players, it will turn out to be a positive.

Admittedly there will be several who are screwed by it... Like apparently you yourself, since you don't have any Kindred seals or friends at all. (apparently, Only basing this off you saying it would basically be impossible for you to get it now)

It is SE, past track record + these notes = shit

I am up for changing this crap but this is very bad ....

[Krisan]

then you tack on the time farming for KS

This is actually what concerns me about this change.. The rest I think I'm okay with. This though is kinda irritating, as something like 99 seals could take awhile to farm up.. which by itself wouldn't hurt as much except it's also couple with the lowered drop rate of the BB items. I sort of wish it were one or the other, both do seem kind of like a punch in the gut.

But.. the lowered droprate might not be as significant as we think.. And if that's the case, eh.

[Rambus]

This is actually what concerns me about this change.. The rest I think I'm okay with. This though is kinda irritating, as something like 99 seals could take awhile to farm up.. which by itself wouldn't hurt as much except it's also couple with the lowered drop rate of the BB items. I sort of wish it were one or the other, both do seem kind of like a punch in the gut.

But.. the lowered droprate might not be as significant as we think.. And if that's the case, eh.

the egg in the KSNM is fucking shit, then it would be lower????????

the beard is who cares seems like it drops every other one, the egg is a fucking pita though.

I am not sure about tongue.

This is a bad system because of the 99 KS, if it was less time to compensate the lower drops i can see giving it a chance but this is a big NO! atm with how it is stated.

[JovialRat]

I like this idea because it pretty much destroyes those Bot Claimers herherherherher,
but.... a simplier way would have just made the KSNMs the HQ version, get rid of the NMs in the zone and just put them in the KSNM. and have w/e they dropped fall in KSNMs.
ksnm - hqNM - BB items , ad.hauberk. etc... of course the items drop is not 100%.