[Dev 1009] Force Pop HNM's FTW

[Rambus]

Don't freak out so badly man, I was actually trying to validate your concerns there if you didn't notice. I just said that we don't know yet how much it was lowered - and that yea, if it is any kind of significant decrease then I agree with you completely. They're a low enough drop already, I've helped LS mates in the past with them.. it's painful stuff.

my point I was trying to get across is that it is too low with the way things ARE. so any kind of drop lowering makes it even more intolerable.

keep in mind i am only talking about egg, the beard ends up on the ground from trying to get speed belts lol.

I have no clue on tongue, do that the lest, do not remember seeing it drop off my orb though

[Runespider]

Only problem I see with this is it's SE's typical give and take type system.

We'll give you easier to pop NMs, but you'll have to go through hoops of fire to do so.

We'll let you pop an NM path you want but you need to take pictures first.

We'll let you pop even more NMs using a KI, but you have to go to x,y,z zone and pop them in tiers, oh and they can spawn as shadow meaning no drops.

So yeah, change is cool but the pop items for example coulda been simple and to the point like Abyssea's, but it does get people out of abyssea so I'm happy.

It's an MMO, duh? This will still be better than the previous system, far far more people will get to fight them than ever before.

my point I was trying to get across is that it is too low with the way things ARE. so any kind of drop lowering makes it even more intolerable.

Don't do it then, brown belt is more than good enough for everything you want to kill in lolabyssea.

[Karbuncle]

Only problem I see with this is it's SE's typical give and take type system.

We'll give you easier to pop NMs, but you'll have to go through hoops of fire to do so.

We'll let you pop an NM path you want but you need to take pictures first.

We'll let you pop even more NMs using a KI, but you have to go to x,y,z zone and pop them in tiers, oh and they can spawn as shadow meaning no drops.

So yeah, change is cool but the pop items for example coulda been simple and to the point like Abyssea's, but it does get people out of abyssea so I'm happy.

If the pops were as easy to get as they are in Abyssea, I think there would be an entirely different type of Crying on these forums.

but trust me, There woulds till be complaining :\

People will always complain. Its usually because those people who are like "SWEET, this Update rocks" are probably sitting behind their computer not bothering to type it because of all the "Negative" responses, they don't wanna get in a huge flame war with someone because they think its a good update, and the other guy doesn't.

So we mostly see people complaining, and a few people saying its good.

[Greatguardian]

Or, of course, if you don't have a group or the seals to do KSNMs with.

You can farm KS solo if you have to, or you can EXP a new job outside Abyssea! Also, you can shout to form groups since all the KS99s can be done with like 4-6 people tops at 90. I'm fairly sure at least the KB/Wyrm have been solo'd too.

[Greatguardian]

If the pops were as easy to get as they are in Abyssea, I think there would be an entirely different type of Crying on these forums.

but trust me, There woulds till be complaining :\

People will always complain. Its usually because those people who are like "SWEET, this Update rocks" are probably sitting behind their computer not bothering to type it because of all the "Negative" responses, they don't wanna get in a huge flame war with someone because they think its a good update, and the other guy doesn't.

So we mostly see people complaining, and a few people saying its good.

I think this update rocks. Seriously, this is the bomb. I've had a Black Belt for years, I'm not even mayad that they're making it easier to get. All this means is I can farm up some Nlegs for my buddy's CDC set without worrying about Einherjar or 3am Nid camping.

[Krisan]

If the pops were as easy to get as they are in Abyssea, I think there would be an entirely different type of Crying on these forums.

but trust me, There woulds till be complaining :\

People will always complain. Its usually because those people who are like "SWEET, this Update rocks" are probably sitting behind their computer not bothering to type it because of all the "Negative" responses, they don't wanna get in a huge flame war with someone because they think its a good update, and the other guy doesn't.

So we mostly see people complaining, and a few people saying its good.

Man, you seem to have some of the most sensible posts I've seen on here. Yeah, I'd say that's very true.

[Rorald]

I agree that there needed to be changes to the Nms but the method said here seems totally backwards to me. If this were 2 or more years ago then probably would be outstanding, but with the progressing of this game i feel like this is making it even HARDER to get the desired items.
I myself have seen Nidhogg, Aspid, and KB all unclaimed walking around several times on my server in the past few months.

Simple fact is people arnt going to farm KSs for these bc's and they wont be done after the first month of spamming what ks's everyone has, the only way this would be good is if the droprate for defending ring and ridill were increased.

My suggestion would be to switch it from KS to KC so its relevant to current play styles.

[Rambus]

You can farm KS solo if you have to, or you can EXP a new job outside Abyssea!

I need some auto delevel feature, killing my self 1 000 000 times while setting HP in cape will take too long

I agree that there needed to be changes to the Nms but the method said here seems totally backwards to me. If this were 2 or more years ago then probably would be outstanding, but with the progressing of this game i feel like this is making it even HARDER to get the desired items.
I myself have seen Nidhogg, Aspid, and KB all unclaimed walking around several times on my server in the past few months.

Simple fact is people arnt going to farm KSs for these bc's and they wont be done after the first month of spamming what ks's everyone has, the only way this would be good is if the droprate for defending ring and ridill were increased.

My suggestion would be to switch it from KS to KC so its relevant to current play styles.

That is my thinking, I really do not understand "this update rocks" when it really sounds a step back, not forward.

Before abyssea ya maybe it would of been good, but now? -.-

I need to scout these NMs maybe i can get egg before this craptasic update.

[Karbuncle]

I think this update rocks. Seriously, this is the bomb. I've had a Black Belt for years, I'm not even mayad that they're making it easier to get. All this means is I can farm up some Nlegs for my buddy's CDC set without worrying about Einherjar or 3am Nid camping.

Need to find myself a pair of Cursed Subligar -1 for my THF's WS set >.>;;

[Chiibi]

What? Really? No one's super happy that there's a reason for people to EXP outside Abyssea from 40-75 again? What's going on? I thought it was like a supermajority of players that wanted some sort of added incentive to EXP normally. This is, like, as big an incentive as they could give.

I'm actually convinced people are complaining because it forces them to work without their beloved atma.