[dev1009] Seriously.... how could you make the HNM system worse...

[KigenAngelios]

Yeah, we need to think about those people taking things for sentimental reasons. Let's factor everyone being sentimental into the equation.

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not but - why the hell not? The more people who care about content X the better. Its better than being lethargic. Hell I'm one more person who is willing and up for helping people do stuff like this which means someone can get their desired BB item, or Defending Ring, or whatever. Better than completely eliminating the option.

[Karbuncle]

God i wish there was a PM system on this site now so i can tell people when to just give up arguing with certain people >.>

Hurr Durr.

Yes the NQ drop rates are not the best, but many people have still gotten their BB items from them.

It does not give credibility to your ridiculous "hey guys lets go be incedibly bored as a six man group for THREE hours" nonsense. Most likely people will not be out as a group of six farming KS. It would be a person soloing them or a group of two maybe three tops on average. It is still a slap in the face.

SE: "Hey new people who came into this game in a time where KS no longer drop on mobs people actually fight (you know those abyssean ones) because clearly only KC should drop on a mob, go spend your time doing something mind numbingly boring!"
New MNKs: "Sounds good to me!"

You may have not have seen the threads having probably just started visiting here.

But there were tons of people on these boards complaining non-stop that the Devs needed to give people a reason to do things out-side of Abyssea, to "Revitalize Old-school exp". This is actually a rather ingenuously evil way of doing it. You force people to choose between mind-numbing FoV soloing for Seals, Or level your jobs in old-fashioned exp ways.

Neither are very appealing, But i find it kinda ... I can't think of the word? Deliciously Ironic/Evil. So there is a positive ^^

Edit: for the record, I never complained about the above, i just find it SE gave people what they wanted (reasons to do things outside of Abyssea), and they're now complaining more. (not everyone mind you)

[Karbuncle]

I am aware, and no I have looked and posted at and on these forums from a bit since they opened.

The official forums have convinced me that the human race should go extinct :P

If i could agree with you without admitting I'm part of that race.

I would.

I really really would.

[Sp1cyryan]

If i could agree with you without admitting I'm part of that race.

I would.

I really really would.

We could start with Asura server :P

[Kari]

But there were tons of people on these boards complaining non-stop that the Devs needed to give people a reason to do things out-side of Abyssea, to "Revitalize Old-school exp". This is actually a rather ingenuously evil way of doing it. You force people to choose between mind-numbing FoV soloing for Seals, Or level your jobs in old-fashioned exp ways.

A lot of idiots begged for outside exp to be good again, and for reasons to exp outside of Aby.
However, if someone needs KSs, they aren't going to hop in an old-school XP party for them, they're going to solo it or do it with friends. This causes people to do things outside of Aby no more than Magian Trials do.

[Sp1cyryan]

A lot of idiots begged for outside exp to be good again, and for reasons to exp outside of Aby.
However, if someone needs KSs, they aren't going to hop in an old-school XP party for them, they're going to solo it or do it with friends. This causes people to do things outside of Aby no more than Magian Trials do.

It does not matter if you XP in or out of abyssea. you have to fight those EP mobs for KS as they wont drop anymore outside of abyssea than inside it since SE blundered the rate.

[Karbuncle]

A lot of idiots begged for outside exp to be good again, and for reasons to exp outside of Aby.
However, if someone needs KSs, they aren't going to hop in an old-school XP party for them, they're going to solo it or do it with friends. This causes people to do things outside of Aby no more than Magian Trials do.

A lot of the complaints were for "Reasons to visit old zones"

So replace "Exp oldschool" with "Reasons to visit old zones" in my argument

I think my point stands. This is proof the Dev team listens to us, Even if they implemented it in an Ingeniously insidious way.

[Sp1cyryan]

A lot of the complaints were for "Reasons to visit old zones"

So replace "Exp oldschool" with "Reasons to visit old zones" in my argument

I think my point stands. This is proof the Dev team listens to us, Even if they implemented it in an Ingeniously insidious way.

That scares me. The people who post here are not only generally clueless, but just post suggestions I hope never happen. It is sad the official forums had to end up this way. I remember SE posting on Zam saying they read the threads there, What ever happened to that? Zam is made fun of to, but it is not nearly as bad as the people here.

[Daremo]

A lot of the complaints were for "Reasons to visit old zones"

So replace "Exp oldschool" with "Reasons to visit old zones" in my argument

I think my point stands. This is proof the Dev team listens to us, Even if they implemented it in an Ingeniously insidious way.

Replace 'ingeniously insidious' with 'maliciously stupid' and I'll agree with you.