[dev1009] Seriously.... how could you make the HNM system worse...

[Randwolf]

Well it's a good thing I played the game before abyssea. Leveling the old way and obtaining KSNMs while exping. I guess you suckers out there that complain about not having Kindred seal's just have to watch us pop them in front of you, while you hold yourselfs and cry. Not our fault or SE's you took the easy route and burned through levels without actually understanding how to play the game. It also isn't anyones or SEs fault, that you decided to spend all your KS or Orbs on 20k Ingot runs.

Welcome to the thunderdome.

What I have found interesting is that there were some, not all, of these same people that said they simply wanted a shot at the HNM's. That the claim system was unfair and not based on player skill. But, on luck and 3rd party tools. Now, they have the chance, through some effort, to fight these HNM's. And, the crying continues. What I'm guessing is that these same people who are crying were not just after the chance to fight an HNM but to have it practically handed to them. Of course, if they said that, they would have revealed their true agenda and received little support. As a former HNMLS member who thought the claim system and long time between pops was bad, I am truly enjoying the whining by those whose real intention was not just to fight the HNM but to practically have it pop in their MH on the hour.

[Tsuneo]

Annoying troll is annoying.

[Anewie]

Theyll always complain and SE needs to stop trying to cater to them. They got what they wanted and they still aren't happy. Freakin go play WoW.

I am NOT enjoying the whining. I find it annoying. The company is practically bending to their every nick and cranny and theyre still complaining. Remember when odin came out cause ppl were complaining about bots? They cried. Ok so they gimped down odin and einherjar, and people still complained.

FFXI shouldn't bend to botters but it shouldn't bend to people who don't care about anything and just want stuff handed to them. Play the game and enjoy it and stop crying about what you don't have. You don't have the time, you have cancer, you have kids, so does everyone else. It's a game. It's okay to suggest what you would like and campaigne for it, but stop the whining. You know what I'm gonna do if the game doesn't offer something interesting to me or I can't/don't want to do something? I'll quit and GO DO something else. Do I like the way the player base has de-evolved and now you can't tell the difference between an afker and a avesta/kirchy/cream soda type player? hell no buti find fun in the things i have time for and I don't step on people toes and I don't cry about stuff i can't do. I work around it because SE HAS impmented alternate methods to obtaining gear that is doable by people who can't and don't want to do as much.

And just an fyi, I am considering quitting because I just simply can't find fun in the game like i used too. I am not gonna start crying saying oh booo SE made the game boring and more casual and now there too many noobs wahhh. No.. The noobs deserved a chance to shine tbh and people have been tolerate but its gonna be the end of the game if SE doesn't stop catering to people who do not care about the game.

[Tsuneo]

People should really stop talking about botting it's ridiculous why don't you go back to 2005.

[Starcade]

People should really stop talking about botting it's ridiculous why don't you go back to 2005.

Should I add the rest of your post??

The point that stopping talking about it just continues to enable it, so why not us just shut up about it?

[Tsuneo]

Should I add the rest of your post??

The point that stopping talking about it just continues to enable it, so why not us just shut up about it?

You must have been living under a rock since Abyssea came out. I don't even know what botting people are complaining about anymore. You people keep talking about it but it hasn't happened for quite awhile now. Sure individual people might still do it, but it's not on the massive scale it was before. The topic of botting isn't relevant to this update because no one cares enough anymore to bot them.

[Randwolf]

You must have been living under a rock since Abyssea came out. I don't even know what botting people are complaining about anymore. You people keep talking about it but it hasn't happened for quite awhile now. Sure individual people might still do it, but it's not on the massive scale it was before. The topic of botting isn't relevant to this update because no one cares enough anymore to bot them.

You are most likely correct in this case. I think some of the fear surrounds S/E introducing new HNM's that drop superior gear and are claimed under the old method. As a former HNMLS member, I certainly see the botters returning if the old HNM spawn system returns and that is what drops some of the best gear in the game. Because making that claim would both better equip your members as well as making huge bank on sales to buyers.

As far as popping the old Kings, the more I think about this system, the more I like it. Primarily because the biggest complaints were the long windows between spawns and the claim system. So, S/E has said "Okay, you get to fight these without having to worry about others cheating to make the claim. And we won't make you stand around in a single zone once every 21 hours. But, we also are not going to make it so you walk into a zone, kill a few mobs, pop the HNM, and then repeat it until you get the drop. There will be some effort on your part."

And, there are very few drops from the Kings that are really worth very much anymore. Perhaps Black Belt and Defending Ring? Add to that the fact S/E has mentioned an item akin to the BB being introduced and the BB may very well drop off that list. So, quite honestly, if you only wanted the experience of fighting these NM's, then it would be a one time trip through this system.

The more responses I see to this, the more apparent it is that there is a group that you can't please unless the game is as easy as playing Solitaire. Truly, those people need to grab some sack and realize that while they will get some concessions, this game will not turn into an all-nighter and you're done like single player RPG's.

[Anewie]

Inorite. The only things that were botted mainstreamly werte those retarded three kings. Why would you put rare mobs hat drop the best gear in a tiny corner like that? You can say people botted cerb,khim,tia but lol. But yeah, that didn't happen often. More like, it was more a race or having a hold party ready. DI/SW were unbottable. Did people use windower/spot type program? yes, but those people LOST against shells that actually paid attention to scanning. Botting really wasnt a big issue outside kings, which are now gone and have been obselete for a long time.

[Xlide]

Couldn't agree more with OP. Square-Enix has been taking so many steps forward for this game as of late. This is a HUGE step back. This is something the old development team would've done. By making us do farm 99KS, do KS99, kill NQ, and then finally kill HQ, you are wasting the players time. I personally do not want something wasting my time.

Why not lower respawn to 12 hours? And have no 3 hour, illogical window. Lower drop rates if you think that Kings drops are so still so so precious.

But just a heads up, they aren't. Ridill is not worth the time. The only drop worth it on Kings is the defending ring.

[ShadowHeart]

its pretty bad that monk (abyssea's sudden fad job) is the one getting messed with... never mind the poor pld who almost no one uses anymore because not enough proc's can't kill fast enough or whatever reasons u want to use but bunch people get on a kick about monk because of abyssea and have to destroy a fun tradition that goes back to this games origins camping NM's and HNM's..... if things aren't easy enough now for people they could just increase the drop or spawn rate or add mobs that drop the items but myself i been playing for years now and love the camps the adrenaline rush of getting the claim even if u didn't get the drop the hours of boredom which made you interact with ur fellow players and actually make friends and bonded linkshells and friendships helping each other. Now... goto 90 in a week no ls grab a cruor burn go brew an nm pause it on npc, martello or whatever and brew hold so u can get all ur +1 / +2 gear and make like u been playing for years... there are still some of us out here who party outside abyssea camp nm's and just enjoy the community / linkshells and friendships.