[dev1009] Seriously.... how could you make the HNM system worse...

[Snaplin]

If you have 6 people spend randomly 2 hrs farming KSs you'd have a pop approx every 2 hours 45 minutes (this being double the base time because I'd assume you'd get Bst seals too.) Being that's a 100% pop for NQ and HQ I'd say that's not bad at all. Seriously if you have problem with that then you're probably in one of 2 camps. You want everything handed to you on a silver platter or you're a lazy ass botter who enjoyed spending NM windows watching cartoons while waiting for your bot or your LS mates' bot to claim.

Cool so I can spend 2 hours farming, gather for the NMs kill the KS 99, to pop the NQ to pop the HQ at a "chance" of some lower drop rate shit? On top of LS events and my already mile high "To-do-list" Instead of planning my time around an HNM and get stuff before,after and in between windows. Forgot Since I don't like this spawn BS i'm a botter or just want stuff easy right? Try harder everything is already "easy" all they did was make it more of a pain and time consuming.

[Orson]

Cool so I can spend 2 hours farming, gather for the NMs kill the KS 99, to pop the NQ to pop the HQ at a "chance" of some lower drop rate shit? On top of LS events and my already mile high "To-do-list" Instead of planning my time around an HNM and get stuff before,after and in between windows. Try harder.

I see you're in the second camp. Cry harder now that you can't just sit on your ass waiting for you to luck out on getting gear. Also read the post only BB items drop rate is being reduced.

[Snaplin]

I see you're in the second camp. Cry harder now that you can't just sit on your ass waiting for you to luck out on getting gear. Also read the post only BB items drop rate is being reduced.

I don't even camp that but I'm glad you can tell someone bots from a post on a forum cool more posts from the QQbot brigade. There are bots that can farm KS's while you afk so this makes no difference nor changes anything but the fact that you have to run to different zones and fight more then 1 mob and people w/o a BB go through more of a pain to get them, Nice try tho go cry about bots back in 2004 when SE didn't listen & HNMs ment something.

[KigenAngelios]

I see you're in the second camp. Cry harder now that you can't just sit on your ass waiting for you to luck out on getting gear. Also read the post only BB items drop rate is being reduced.

The point some of us are trying that some us are trying to make is that they are making these HNMs a near finite resource. Based on the math it takes 8hrs 15mins to gain 99 KS assuming you get every KS every time you could (KSs have a chance to drop only once ever 5mins and share a possible pool with KC, H.Q. KC, and BS) There is no level that you can only get a Kindred Seal (i.e. there will always be a shared pool). Coupled with the fact that Abyssea (i.e. high level mobs) make getting a Kindred Seal very rare also hurt us. Yes you can farm 8hr15mins+ solo on optimal KS farming mobs... but this is no where near equivalent to waiting 3hrs or so for a mob to spawn. Not even having a guaranteed drop means that the path to these items (incuding bb items, ridill-esque items, and abjs) means the effort heavily outweighs the reward which is bad game design at its best/worst.

[Snaplin]

Hey, I remember you from years ago. You were/maybe still are on that joke of a site calling Killing Ifrit. If you are going to sit there and say people want things handed to them or that they are botters try not being more retarded than Terri Schiavo.

Anyway, thank you for proving once again how I hope the dev team does not read these forums and take people here seriously.

If you think six people want to actually spend 3 hours camping Kindred Seals then you are simply a moron. The NMs are not seriously camped (well, KB is a different story) right now. It is much easier to get the ToD by searching the zone from time to time or afking there while you are at work than sit there in some brand new time sink. I have helped a few friends camp the NMs for the BB. There is generally one or two people there, and it is a simple process that is not as bothersome as farming KS.

No one wants to sit there killing lesser colibri like a mindless idiot.

Just a news flash to people too the Ridill and things are worthless. The NMs are camped for D. ring, BB items, and maybe the occassional THF wants some N. Abj. gear. The rest of is is worthless crap. Stuff like Zenith feet were next to worthless at 75 too. Given SE's track record with the lame augments too I can not imagine them being anything special. Even if they were it be a lot of work for some sidegrade piece of equipment.

That being said, I love this game, but I think there are some weirdos on the dev team and a bunch of morons in the community.

This^^

The point some of us are trying that some us are trying to make is that they are making these HNMs a near finite resource. Based on the math it takes 8hrs 15mins to gain 99 KS assuming you get every KS every time you could (KSs have a chance to drop only once ever 5mins and share a possible pool with KC, H.Q. KC, and BS) There is no level that you can only get a Kindred Seal (i.e. there will always be a shared pool). Coupled with the fact that Abyssea (i.e. high level mobs) make getting a Kindred Seal very rare also hurt us. Yes you can farm 8hr15mins+ solo on optimal KS farming mobs... but this is no where near equivalent to waiting 3hrs or so for a mob to spawn. Not even having a guaranteed drop means that the path to these items (incuding bb items, ridill-esque items, and abjs) means the effort heavily outweighs the reward which is bad game design at its best/worst.

I completely agree but "Oh you must be a botter who want's stuff on easy mode" according to his post.

[Orson]

The point some of us are trying that some us are trying to make is that they are making these HNMs a near finite resource. Based on the math it takes 8hrs 15mins to gain 99 KS assuming you get every KS every time you could (KSs have a chance to drop only once ever 5mins and share a possible pool with KC, H.Q. KC, and BS) There is no level that you can only get a Kindred Seal (i.e. there will always be a shared pool). Coupled with the fact that Abyssea (i.e. high level mobs) make getting a Kindred Seal very rare also hurt us. Yes you can farm 8hr15mins+ solo on optimal KS farming mobs... but this is no where near equivalent to waiting 3hrs or so for a mob to spawn. Not even having a guaranteed drop means that the path to these items (incuding bb items, ridill-esque items, and abjs) means the effort heavily outweighs the reward which is bad game design at its best/worst.

It's not necessarily just waiting 0-3 hrs every 21-24 hrs though. Even if you have no competition which I find doubtful you have to make your and most likely your friend's schedule around when the NM pops. NQ drop rates on trophies is awful from what I've seen and heard they're maybe around 10%. Sure the HQs are 100% but odds are you'll have more competition camping HQs and they pop only every 4 days at most.

With an alliance of 3 you have a chance at 3 seals every 5 mins you can potentially get a pop every 3 hrs or so. Even doubling that time if you just spend a couple hrs a day farming you're more likely to get a pop then you would from camping. Until we see the droprate off HQs you can't really say whether it's a terrible waste of time but at this time it's about the same amount of time spent camping given that there's always a chance you'll lose claim. Not only that but you'll be able to farm at your leisure.

[Sp1cyryan]

It's not necessarily just waiting 0-3 hrs every 21-24 hrs though. Even if you have no competition which I find doubtful you have to make your and most likely your friend's schedule around when the NM pops. NQ drop rates on trophies is awful from what I've seen and heard they're maybe around 10%. Sure the HQs are 100% but odds are you'll have more competition camping HQs and they pop only every 4 days at most.

With an alliance of 3 you have a chance at 3 seals every 5 mins you can potentially get a pop every 3 hrs or so. Even doubling that time if you just spend a couple hrs a day farming you're more likely to get a pop then you would from camping. Until we see the droprate off HQs you can't really say whether it's a terrible waste of time but at this time it's about the same amount of time spent camping given that there's always a chance you'll lose claim. Not only that but you'll be able to farm at your leisure.

Hurr Durr.

Yes the NQ drop rates are not the best, but many people have still gotten their BB items from them.

It does not give credibility to your ridiculous "hey guys lets go be incedibly bored as a six man group for THREE hours" nonsense. Most likely people will not be out as a group of six farming KS. It would be a person soloing them or a group of two maybe three tops on average. It is still a slap in the face.

SE: "Hey new people who came into this game in a time where KS no longer drop on mobs people actually fight (you know those abyssean ones) because clearly only KC should drop on a mob, go spend your time doing something mind numbingly boring!"
New MNKs: "Sounds good to me!"