[dev1009] Seriously.... how could you make the HNM system worse...

[Karbuncle]

The way i see it, This is a small improvement over the old way. You may be thinking "Oh, I only have 200 Kindred Seals" but then again, You probably camped the old kings with friends. Sooo... Ask those friends to help with KSNM99.

Say you get 5 friends, You go do 6 KSNM99s, get 6 pops for Fafnir, Kill Fafnir 6 times and (if the update is correct about 100% pop upgrade) then kill 6 Nidhoggs. etc etc. or divide them up. the KSNM99's still have a chance to drop Black Belt items as well.

You basically now, with a bit more effort, Have the chance to rapid-spawn multiple of these of these NMs, KSNM99's aren't really that hard, and I'm sure between you and ~3 friends you can probably have a fair share of pops built up. Split up between different NMs.

I Definitely think it could have had more ways to get the pop (I.E, make it drop from Multiple BC/KSNMs like the "Ouryu Orb" from multiple ENMs), but outside of that, I actually think this isn't as terrible as your all making it sound :|

Still, I see where a lot of the trouble is coming from, I think the pop item should have been a little more easily obtained. Perhaps Drop 100% From KSNM99s, and maybe ~25% from KSNM30's, and a few BCNM60+'s. Make it from Multiple locations. Forcing it into only 1 KSNM really does hurt more then help after the first ~month when everyones burned out their Kindred seals...

Edit: Plus the update notes said "At least 1 per fight", Meaning theres a Chance Fafnir/KSNM will drop 1-2 or more of the "Pop items" for their NMs. This is a bigger improvement than most people think :|

[KigenAngelios]

The way i see it, This is a small improvement over the old way. You may be thinking "Oh, I only have 200 Kindred Seals" but then again, You probably camped the old kings with friends. Sooo... Ask those friends to help with KSNM99.

Say you get 5 friends, You go do 6 KSNM99s, get 6 pops for Fafnir, Kill Fafnir 6 times and (if the update is correct about 100% pop upgrade) then kill 6 Nidhoggs. etc etc. or divide them up. the KSNM99's still have a chance to drop Black Belt items as well.

You basically now, with a bit more effort, Have the chance to rapid-spawn multiple of these of these NMs, KSNM99's aren't really that hard, and I'm sure between you and ~3 friends you can probably have a fair share of pops built up. Split up between different NMs.

I Definitely think it could have had more ways to get the pop (I.E, make it drop from Multiple BC/KSNMs like the "Ouryu Orb" from multiple ENMs), but outside of that, I actually think this isn't as terrible as your all making it sound :|

Still, I see where a lot of the trouble is coming from, I think the pop item should have been a little more easily obtained. Perhaps Drop 100% From KSNM99s, and maybe ~25% from KSNM30's, and a few BCNM60+'s. Make it from Multiple locations. Forcing it into only 1 KSNM really does hurt more then help after the first ~month when everyones burned out their Kindred seals...

While I agree that more options are a great thing it does not solve to problem of seal influx nor the problem of actually having willing friends who aren't dragging their feet about spending their limited KSs, time, etc. In the end this feels like it is taking away more options than it is giving.

[Karbuncle]

While I agree that more options are a great thing it does not solve to problem of seal influx nor the problem of actually having willing friends who aren't dragging their feet about spending their limited KSs, time, etc. In the end this feels like it is taking away more options than it is giving.

I can respect that you're in that situation but... Kindred Seals are basically 95% Worthless. KSNM's don't offer shit for gil anymore, especially compared to other Ventures. (Really the only good ones these days are the ones that drop Raise III...)

Maybe i just have Really good friends, But i know I could get a lot of people to Build pops with/for me. Giving us each a shot at something we want for fun. Maybe a Ridill(TOY!), or Dring, But I don't think I'll have trouble getting help. Though i can feel for people who don't have friends who can help them or want too.

Though, If you can get even 2 friends, You can "abuse" the alliance system, get up to 3 KS/BS/etc per 5 minutes, instead of just 1. tripling your odds.

I know it sounds like shit, But I think in the long run it'll help most people, maybe not everyone, But i know when this update comes around I'll have a better shot at Black belt :\