Pet Shop

[Karbuncle]

Furthermore , i dont believe abyssea will ever be dead. People regularly do dynamis,sky,sea,limbus, hell even nyzul isle. And these places don't turn you into superman. They also dont have anywhere near the same amount of content to explore. Also abyssea provides the most effecient way to exp currently.

I think People will be poking around in abyssea until the game ends.

Probably, But like Dynamis, Sky, Sea, Limbus, Etc, It won't be useful for anything other than a fun Side activity (Well, At 90 all of those gears from said era are outdated sans maybe 1-2 pieces).

I was simply pointing out Eta will likely become more useful as the game progresses into 99, So you should be worried/care about if its price drops/Goes up/etc.

I mean, We don't go "I hate Pet Food Zeta cause I can't use it in BCNM40..." or "Relic Weapons suck cause i can't use them in Garrison..."

[Gotterdammerung]

Let me break that down for ya Bubeeky.

Crafting is dying because of Emp armor and magian trials and powning monster drop gear. This mainly leaves consumable items as a life raft for crafters. Crafters jack up the prices on consumables to try to reclaim some of the comfort of their glory days. At this point a new tier of player jumps in the mix. The farmers. These are the guys who keep lizard eggs stocked on the AH and various things like that. When they see the new prices of the finished product, they in turn raise the prices of the materials in an attempt to also claim some of the new profit from the initial price gouge. In the end, when everything balances out, the cooks arent making more than they orignally were, the farmers are making more, and the consumer is being severly beaten.

It is not unfair for the consumer to blame the crafters for the gouge because it was initially the crafters who raised the prices. And it is also reasonable for the consumer to feel vindicated to learn the cook is not making good money.

In the old days, crafters avoided this pitfall by having a better understanding of there role and responsibility in the community. But i guess they can hardly be blamed. After all it was SE who pulled the rug out from under them. Things wouldn't be so bad if crafting wasn't slowly being made obsolete.

[Gotterdammerung]

Probably, But like Dynamis, Sky, Sea, Limbus, Etc, It won't be useful for anything other than a fun Side activity (Well, At 90 all of those gears from said era are outdated sans maybe 1-2 pieces).

I was simply pointing out Eta will likely become more useful as the game progresses into 99, So you should be worried/care about if its price drops/Goes up/etc.

I mean, We don't go "I hate Pet Food Zeta cause I can't use it in BCNM40..." or "Relic Weapons suck cause i can't use them in Garrison..."

I meant that i had given up on the price ever dropping low enough to make eta worthwhile. And by making this thread and pointing out how the price makes it useless, in a way i am contributing to the possibility of it being fixed one day.

[Karbuncle]

I meant that i had given up on the price ever dropping low enough to make eta worthwhile. And by making this thread and pointing out how the price makes it useless, in a way i am contributing to the possibility of it being fixed one day.

The idea to sell the Mats at an NPC was pretty good.

You can get Buffalo meat at NPC but the way too is ridiculous.

[Bubeeky]

Actually, it's not reasonable for either of those assumptions to be made. The crafters don't gouge people on prices, that's our way of making money. The cooks aren't making a profit at all these days, even with the jacked up prices, so sooner or later, the so called vindicated consumer won't have any consumables on the ah to consume. If you really must blame someone, blame those that farm and charge the crafters exorbant amounts of gil for the ingredients.

[Gotterdammerung]

Basically just ignored the explanation.

Farmers use 4 things to judge the price of their work.

1. the difficulty it took to collect the material.
2. The cost of the final crafted product the material is used to create in comparison with the cost of the other materials.
3. The rate at wich the material is sold.
4. and the current stock of said material.

The price of the material is largely based on the conduct of the crafters.

[Bubeeky]

right, but you have ignored the fact that we don't gouge people for prices...I for one worked hard for many years to get my craft to where it is...the exchange for that is that we get gouged on the price for ingredients then blamed by unthankful customers for price gouging...it's crafting/in game business, not a charity service. My cooking key items and equipment and furniture were an investment, not free.

[Karbuncle]

Actually, it's not reasonable for either of those assumptions to be made. The crafters don't gouge people on prices, that's our way of making money. The cooks aren't making a profit at all these days, even with the jacked up prices, so sooner or later, the so called vindicated consumer won't have any consumables on the ah to consume. If you really must blame someone, blame those that farm and charge the crafters exorbant amounts of gil for the ingredients.

Strictly speaking on Pet Food/Jugs, If you can't make a profit off something that has nearly ~300%/700% profit Margin based on NQ Values (Pet food Eta), its not the Consumers fault for being upset. Its absurd. You guys can charge this much because you're the only source.

I'm sorry I'm not trying to stomp on your thing here, but when it comes to Items like Pet Food Eta, Where the profit margin is in 300% or higher with just NQ's, that is Price gouging. I understand to reason why you need to make prices to where you can profit reasonably, But theres Reasonable Profit, and UNreasonable gouging.

I'm not saying all servers cross the line, or that even you do it. But at the very least on asura there is so price gouging going on. And they get away with it because they're the only source, and we're forced to purchase it if we dont wanna be gimp.

[Gotterdammerung]

The blame lies in the incentive. A farmer will never arbitrarily raise the price of his materials. If he raises the price for no reason, the crafter will not make a profit on the synth and therefore will not purchase the material. A farmer initiating the Raise of material prices will jeapordize his market and therefore his profit. However, If the crafter raises the cost of the final product, there is more profit available for the farmer and he will adjust his price.

Ultimately, The crafters gouged the prices first. If you arent making tons of money now, its because the suppliers have adjusted there prices. Example: After the dipper prices were set initially, the price of a stack of chigoes doubled. This is because the cooks initially set there profit to high and the farmers decided they wanted a larger cut and adjusted the price of the materials. You are welcome to continue to raise the price if u want, but the supplier will continually adjust to take his share. And eventually the consumer will get fed up with it all and decide the price isnt worth it.

[Bubeeky]

lol I wish I was on your servers, where apparantly cooking is a profitable venture....it's barely worth cooking on mine...right from the start the price on a stack of chigoes cost more than a stack of yuly jugs...that's the way all the jugs have been on my server, same with the pet foods...they literally have never been worth my time, even when I farmed up the ingredients for the lower level jugs, they still weren't worth making.

I still maintain that the crafters (on my server) haven't done anything to the price nearly as bad as what you're making it out to be. Consider the fact that there is no blame to be had, but that the whole system isn't working anymore and ask yourself what you can do to fix it...without advocating the idea that would take crafters out of the picture completely.