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[Karbuncle]

lol I wish I was on your servers, where apparantly cooking is a profitable venture....it's barely worth cooking on mine...right from the start the price on a stack of chigoes cost more than a stack of yuly jugs...that's the way all the jugs have been on my server, same with the pet foods...they literally have never been worth my time, even when I farmed up the ingredients for the lower level jugs, they still weren't worth making.

I still maintain that the crafters (on my server) haven't done anything to the price nearly as bad as what you're making it out to be. Consider the fact that there is no blame to be had, but that the whole system isn't working anymore and ask yourself what you can do to fix it...without advocating the idea that would take crafters out of the picture completely.

Glad you brought up Yuly, On my server its like this.

Chigoe 200k/stack
Shell bug 10/stack.

assuming 1 stack of each, you'll only use 6 shell bugs, So shell bugs say 5k. So as a total its 205k Per 6 Synths. The Yield is

Cooking 45 (Teir 3 Possible)
Yield: Wool Grease x4
HQ 1: Wool Grease x6
HQ 2: Wool Grease x8
HQ 3: Wool Grease x10

So NQ'ing all 6, You make 2 Stacks. 1 stack = 95k, so 190k for 2, you lose 15k NQ'ing every single synth, This is Assuming you don't use Synergy. If you use Synergy you get Profit, Synergy recipe Yields 6 per, not 4. so you get 36 per, another entire stack per 6 synth, Meaning you make 285k Per 205k spent. NQ'ING IT ALL.

With HQ's, Your profit Skyrockets. Pet Food Eta is even worse, Zeta is just Inching on this kind of thing too.

Asura is robbery. Crafters here are greedy price gougers :|, Its the reason i don't play BST as much. Its just to expensive.

[Gotterdammerung]

u do realize comparing the cost of 1 stack of lesser chigoes to 1 stack of wool grease is an invalid comparison?

1 stack of lesser chigoes will make 3 full stacks of wool grease and thats with all NQ's. Chigoes origanally cost around 40-50k a stack and were priced at thr 40-60k range a stack. This meant that for the cost of 40-50k a cook could make around 100k profit. Thats a very good deal for a cook. The people farming the chigoes noticed how good a deal this was and said "hey i want outrageous profit too!." So they raised the price of lesser chigoes a bit. And the cooks were all addicted to making 100k in a few minutes so they raised the price again. Now on my server, Chigoes cost 140k a stack and the dippers are at 120k a stack. And ur telling me that a cook isnt really making profit? and its not their fault?

How am i supposed to feel about this as a consumer? How would you feel if someone tried to charge you 40 dollars for a snickers bar?

[Yopop]

You guys are summing up why BST should have their own crafting mule for cooking. If you are serious about the job then you should be able to supply your own tools and food.

I'm a BST and I cook. I did it because only a moron would pay someone else gil for supplies they burn through on a daily basis.

Trust me when I say crafters are far from greedy price gougers, I rarely even find it worth putting things on AH to sell when it comes to bst as the profit is so low.

This comes from a Greey Price Gouging BST Crafter that was on Asura


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Once a week I pick a day and farm for as much time as I can. I farm every item that I need except what can be bought from NPCs.

If you do not want the products the crafters make. then make them yourself. Look into the amount of time it takes us to farm our ingredients and I'm sure you tone will change when you are the one crafting your stuff.

[Karbuncle]

u do realize comparing the cost of 1 stack of lesser chigoes to 1 stack of wool grease is an invalid comparison?

1 stack of lesser chigoes will make 3 full stacks of wool grease and thats with all NQ's. Chigoes origanally cost around 40-50k a stack and were priced at thr 40-60k range a stack. This meant that for the cost of 40-50k a cook could make around 100k profit. Thats a very good deal for a cook. The people farming the chigoes noticed how good a deal this was and said "hey i want outrageous profit too!." So they raised the price of lesser chigoes a bit. And the cooks were all addicted to making 100k in a few minutes so they raised the price again. Now on my server, Chigoes cost 140k a stack and the dippers are at 120k a stack. And ur telling me that a cook isnt really making profit? and its not their fault?

How am i supposed to feel about this as a consumer? How would you feel if someone tried to charge you 40 dollars for a snickers bar?

Are you talking to me? Or the other guy.

Cause if its me, You do realize i take into account multiple Times 1 Stack of Chigoe = 6 Synths right >.>?

I even went and Rechecked my math. 1 Stack of Chigoe = Good for 6 Synths. 1 stack = 200k.

6 Synths at 4 per synth NQ is 2 stacks of Jugs. Which are worth 190k

So for every 6 Synths (1 Stack worth of Lesser Chigoe), Which is 200k, you make 190k on NQ.

I rechecked my math. I said Using Cooking it makes 2 stacks per 6 Synths (1 Stack of Chigoe), Cooking NQ is 4 Jugs, not 6, Synergy NQ is 6.

So if they used Cooking not Synergy, they make 2 Stacks per 1 Stack of Chigoe without Breaks.

My math is right, I even included "Synergy" profit in there too.

You guys are summing up why BST should have their own crafting mule for cooking. If you are serious about the job then you should be able to supply your own tools and food.

I'm a BST and I cook. I did it because only a moron would pay someone else gil for supplies they burn through on a daily basis.

Trust me when I say crafters are far from greedy price gougers, I rarely even find it worth putting things on AH to sell when it comes to bst as the profit is so low.

This comes from a Greey Price Gouging BST Crafter that was on Asura


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Once a week I pick a day and farm for as much time as I can. I farm every item that I need except what can be bought from NPCs.

If you do not want the products the crafters make. then make them yourself. Look into the amount of time it takes us to farm our ingredients and I'm sure you tone will change when you are the one crafting your stuff.

True, its just that these BST have to have your product to do their job properly, and most of them feel the time/cost to level a craft is greater than the inconvenience of over-paying for something.

Plus the price/effort/time It takes to level both Cooking and Synergy (Synergy is the smarter way to craft A lot of Jugs...)

I'm not saying I personally wouldn't find it worth it, But i already have WoodWorking ~73 because its what i chose to level way back in the day. I could take up Cooking, I hear its quite nice.

But then again my GF has Cooking @ 95 already...

[Gotterdammerung]

i was talking to him and i was using synergy. Why wouldnt u use synergy on a high cost synth like this? guaranteed 1 extra stack and no breaks. Maybe this guys not making any profit because hes NOT using synergy. Hey guy. Use synergy kay.

[Bubeeky]

on my server, chigoes are 200k a stack and wool grease is 120k a stack...who's getting gouged there?

the easiest fix imo would be to simply make the chigoes more readily accessable...they are really difficult to get as it stands now, which is partially what's driving up the price

btw, I don't use synergy...that's a whole different subject though lol

[Karbuncle]

on my server, chigoes are 200k a stack and wool grease is 120k a stack...who's getting gouged there?

1 Stack of Chigoes makes 3 Stacks of Wool Grease when Using Synergy, Without HQ's involved.

So you spend 200k, and make 360k. You make almost 200% profit. So its still the Consumer getting screwed :| Hard. A Craft that has almost 200% profit margin on NQ alone with 0 Chance of Breaking.

F*CK its making me want to level Cooking, I could be a 100millionarre over night.

[Bubeeky]

and one more thing...I don't make these for profit...I make them for free for friends when they bring me ingredients....I don't gouge anyone, I do what I can to help alleviate the pressure for people needing things like this when I can

[Bubeeky]

based on the numbers on my server, I'd make 38k...that's hardly a gouging 200% profit...that's not even enough to buy a stack of dipper yuly, if I had bst leveled

[Karbuncle]

based on the numbers on my server, I'd make 38k...that's hardly a gouging 200% profit...that's not even enough to buy a stack of dipper yuly, if I had bst leveled

We still talking about DipperYuly?

you say "Chigoe are 200k/stack" ... "Yulies are 120k/stack". Using Synergy (There is no reason you shouldn't), Every 6 Synths (1 stack of Chigoe) you make 3 Stacks of Yuly's, which at 120kx3 is 360k

So you spend 200k, and make 360k if you sell them all, This is using Synergy, and NQ'ing them all.

If you use Cooking (which you really shouldn't) You are indeed only making 38k Profit. (40k not counting Shell Bug prices)

Take the time to level Synergy, It'll massively boost your profit if you do so synth for Profit.