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    Quote Originally Posted by blowfin View Post
    Again: The "craft it yourself" or "buy it from an NPC" arguments are short term, player driven solutions that ignore the actual problem and lack perspective.
    Glass is half full vs. glass is half empty. This is only a matter of perspective, as I see it as there already being plenty of legitimate, acceptable methods already in place within the game itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karbuncle View Post
    While out-side Abyssea content could focus on New End-game Events and new Armors/Weapons/upgrades/Etc, Back to the good old days of Dragging along 17 other people who want to lot the same stuff as you, and spending 2 years on the same event simply because the one guy hasn't gotten the 0.005% Drop of that 1 NM. you know, Challenge!

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    Quote Originally Posted by blowfin View Post
    Short and simple: if you think the auction house merge is a good thing we're on the same page. New players have already been spoon fed enough with the exp increase IMHO.

    For me it boils down to this: We had a wide range of gear available to us on the Auction house back in the "olde days". Why shouldn't new players these days have the same? For me saving for and buying stuff of the Bastok AH was something I got a massive kick out of, you simply can't do that these days. The depth offered by that part of the game is long gone.

    Again: The "craft it yourself" or "buy it from an NPC" arguments are short term, player driven solutions that ignore the actual problem and lack perspective.
    Thinking you will be low level forever and spending a ton of time on that gear is short sighted ;o
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  3. #183
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    Quote Originally Posted by RAIST View Post
    um... ok... some people are getting it, but some aren't. Some of you keep going back to gear not being in the AH of the starter citeis, and keep ignoring the prospect of acceptable gear being available from the NPC's--even when a specific example is given.

    Again....please... provide some specific examples of not being able to find gear you need in a starter city. Several have stated that you can find reasonably priced, adequate gear from NPC's that will take you all the way to Jueno, where you are more likely to find higher teir gear in that AH (which WILL be a mute point once the AH's merge).
    This isn't just about the starter cities and level 1-15 gear. There's an economic issue going on in the game where the vast majority of content outside of (and especially before) Abyssea has become completely neglected.

    I've had to go 10+ levels with underequipped jobs while soloing in Qufim, for example. I happen to have a link to FFXIclopedia handy on my laptop so that I can find out if an NPC has what I need...and even then I've still been stuck without the appropriate gear.

    It should be not be a novel thing to join an EXP party at level 40 with level 40 gear, and then put some of that gear on the AH when you get back and buy that shiny new BCNM weapon that you can finally equip. The game just does not roll that way anymore and it's more of a get to(wearing whatever you can scavenge) level 30 so you can throw it into the Abyssea machine and out pops a new job. This has had a drastic impact on the game (no one cares about levels 1-75/89 because you're not playing with anyone else anyway) that happens to show up very obviously on the AH. This is a bad thing, and I think it is the main argument going on whether or not everyone recognizes it.

    For the sake of argument, though, let's pretend that we're all just imagining this problem and that all of these things are obtainable through NPC's. Still, I shouldn't need to travel across Vana'diel every 5 levels hoping that the previous week's conquest tally fell in my favor.
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    Glass is half full vs. glass is half empty. This is only a matter of perspective, as I see it as there already being plenty of legitimate, acceptable methods already in place within the game itself.
    I agree. I'm saying other people might not. Can you wrap your mind around the idea that i'm not just out for myself? I know it's a hard concept to understand on these forums.

    Thinking you will be low level forever and spending a ton of time on that gear is short sighted ;o
    Why would you think that? Are all your posts cheap shots at people? Personally I just think it would be nice for people below level 20 to actually be able to purchase rings, neck, and whatever else off the starter city Auction houses, if they want to. I certainly wasn't able to when I last took a job from 0-20.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RAIST View Post
    Several have stated that you can find reasonably priced, adequate gear from NPC's that will take you all the way to Jueno, where you are more likely to find higher teir gear in that AH (which WILL be a mute point once the AH's merge).
    http://www.ffxiah.com/browse/2/daggers

    Okay let's say you are a level 40 dancer... on catsith... Which dagger are you going to buy? There isn't a single dagger for sale on the AH between level 31 and level 43. You already have the BEST level 25 daggers... but you are out there trying to solo - and it is getting really hard cause your level 25 daggers don't do so well against level 40 prey...

    How can anyone argue this isn't a problem?
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    There is conquest points gear and race specific gear that can all be gotten for free for low levels. Race specific gear can be worn until af. I put gear on the ah all the time and it doesn't sell so I npc it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blowfin View Post
    I agree. I'm saying other people might not. Can you wrap your mind around the idea that i'm not just out for myself? I know it's a hard concept to understand on these forums.
    Herp derp, I've got nothing else constructive to say so I'll say nothing and give an insinuated insult, is that what you meant to say? Cause that's how it read.

    Really though, where on earth did you get the idea that I said you were out for yourself? And if I didn't agree that some others might not agree, why would I bother mentioning it's a matter of perspective in the first place. If I really thought that my point of view was the only way, I surely wouldn't leave room to include the opinion and/or views of anybody else (in other words, I'd have not said perspective, I've have simply said you were wrong). What I don't understand is that despite us being on the same page about a number of things you feel the need to dole out subtle insults and attempt to white-knight against the "bad guys."

    Grow up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karbuncle View Post
    While out-side Abyssea content could focus on New End-game Events and new Armors/Weapons/upgrades/Etc, Back to the good old days of Dragging along 17 other people who want to lot the same stuff as you, and spending 2 years on the same event simply because the one guy hasn't gotten the 0.005% Drop of that 1 NM. you know, Challenge!

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    Crafting shouldn't be so easily dismissed as too hard and too expensive. There are countless guides out there that walk you through easy leveling paths that PAY FOR THEMSELVES. You get a lot of the materials needed to start crafting as you start xping. And the level 7-12 gears become craftable at low levels, and you can start upgrading some of the first tier of CP gears shortly after you take your first test in those crafts. While it's not perfect by any means... it IS an option that people are just dismissing too easily.

    Here is just one example of how easy and beneficial crafting can be. I have a level 15 leather craft, and the only thing I actively pursued for it was my first test item--it was leveled as a subcraft to other stuff I was making to WEAR as I leveled up. With just that level 15 leather I can already make the entire level 7 leather set (fully craftable at level 9, some of it can be done from level 0), and the full level 17 Lizard set (some of which is done by upgrading the level 7 gear). These sets area also available for a reasonable price from the NPC's as well, btw.

    Someone could reasonably take up leather early on largely with mats that drop as they are xping and buying mats from NPC, make pieces for themselves, friends, to sell in the AH--making gil, increasing circulation, skilling up, and making higher level gear that increases more circulation and skillups, and so and so and so forth. It is structured this way for a reason--so that you can craft as you xp, and enhance the player economy.

    EACH craft follows a similar pattern, supporting differnt sections of the job base. You can pick the craft track that supports your job path and roll with it. I was making my own shihei before I even unlocked NIN because I leveled RNG to 30, crafting my own crap along the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin View Post
    Thinking you will be low level forever and spending a ton of time on that gear is short sighted ;o
    No one thinks that they will be low level forever. It's simply a matter of enjoying the experience as you go and maximizing your character's ability as you progress.

    Thinking FFXI will be around forever and spending a ton of time on any gear is short sighted ;o


    I know it hurts to lose all of that free EXP, but raising the cap on Abyssea to 76 would go a long way in fixing this problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiarlia View Post
    Herp derp, I've got nothing else constructive to say so I'll say nothing and give an insinuated insult, is that what you meant to say? Cause that's how it read.

    Really though, where on earth did you get the idea that I said you were out for yourself? And if I didn't agree that some others might not agree, why would I bother mentioning it's a matter of perspective in the first place. If I really thought that my point of view was the only way, I surely wouldn't leave room to include the opinion and/or views of anybody else (in other words, I'd have not said perspective, I've have simply said you were wrong). What I don't understand is that despite us being on the same page about a number of things you feel the need to dole out subtle insults and attempt to white-knight against the "bad guys."

    Grow up.
    Really? You've wasted several thousand words covering points that, if you actually read my posts in this thread, you didn't need to mention to me. But hey, just blanket everyone who even mildy disagrees with you in the same bucket. I assume it`s much easier to rationalise.

    I know it hurts to lose all of that free EXP, but raising the cap on Abyssea to 76 would go a long way in fixing this problem.
    One of the reasons the cap is set at 30 is the issue that`s being discussed in this thread. We`d all be leveling half naked to 75 if we couldn`t enter at 30.
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    Last edited by blowfin; 04-08-2011 at 07:23 AM.

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