Do something about the AH and lower level gear????

[Flunklesnarkin]

If the system is fine I don't think we would have a developer in this very thread saying they are aware of the issue and are looking at ways to correct it.

That is a horrible logical fallacy >_>

I'm going to assume you don't use your brain to make a living.

[blowfin]

No offense, but there's certainly been times when the development team has been wrong in the past. Not saying they are now, just saying that when they say something like that, don't necessarily take it as 100% fact or a word from God or some such.

I'm just taken aback by the number of people in this thread who don't seem to think that new players having a good range of gear available is a good thing. Any arguments that have been made are very weak when the auction houses in starter cities are basically empty.

That is a horrible logical fallacy >_>

Pot, Kettle? It's no worse than your blinding gem of wisdom about supply and demand on the previous page.

He's entirely correct by the way too.

[Karbuncle]

I'm just taken aback by the number of people in this thread who don't seem to think that new players having a good range of gear available is a good thing. Any arguments that have been made are very weak when the auction houses in starter cities are basically empty.

I think everyone believes the Auction house Merge is a wonderful thing.

I just don't think everyone believes we need to spoon feed new players gear. As the Dev Said, If the Auction house Merger isn't enough, They'll find other ways to resolve it. However i think the Auction house merge will solve a good Chunk of Issues.

Though Really, Level 1~15 People should buy armor from NPCs, Its cheaper and easier than AH. Past that I think this Merge will be a good idea.

[Olor]

I just don't think everyone believes we need to spoon feed new players gear. .

Well, I, for one, haven't been advocating for new players to be spoon fed. I've been suggesting making crafting easier to level (by increasing skill ups) because atm it is too expensive for a new player to get into (and would also provide incentive for older players to give it a whirl if they haven't yet). And increasing the number of affordable items available from npcs.

Neither of those things "spoon feeds" gear to new players.

[blowfin]

Though Really, Level 1~15 People should buy armor from NPCs, Its cheaper and easier than AH. Past that I think this Merge will be a good idea.

Well that the issue right there really. The AH should be the first option for people, certainly once you get to the second tier of equipment (leather gear etc.).

I just don't think everyone believes we need to spoon feed new players gear.

Ditto, working for it is very rewarding and a good exercise for people. You can get just as much satisfaction saving for and buying low level gear as much of the gear at end game. However, having nothing to work towards because supply is non-existent is a real turn off for new players. At least IMHO.

[Flunklesnarkin]

[QUOTE=blowfin;67080]I'm just taken aback by the number of people in this thread who don't seem to think that new players having a good range of gear available is a good thing. Any arguments that have been made are very weak when the auction houses in starter cities are basically empty.

Supply and demand is a logical fallacy ..

no.. just stop now ;o

[Fiarlia]

I'm just taken aback by the number of people in this thread who don't seem to think that new players having a good range of gear available is a good thing. Any arguments that have been made are very weak when the auction houses in starter cities are basically empty.

Pretty sure this isn't the first time I've had to remind you (and if not you, others arguing on the same side as you): I'm not against doing a little something to help. In fact, I've stated that multiple times. The only thing I've been arguing is the necessity. Why? Because it's not necessary, not at all.

As many have pointed out, there are plenty of ways to acquire gear - many often better than the AH. And for any way that costs gil, there's been many examples of how easy earning gil really is. There've been logical arguments showing all of this stuff, time and again. And most everyone on this side of the fence believes that some sort of help would be nice, despite the lack of necessity. For some people it may stop at the merging of the Auction Houses. For others there may be a few extra steps that would be a good idea (perhaps increasing drop rate of gear from mobs that already drop it and/or increasing the number/type of mobs that drop gear for low level).

Regardless of how much you may or may not want to admit it, the desire to "fix" or "not fix" the "problem" boils down to an opinion. People like OP/blowfin/Olor are of the opinion that helping would be a good thing. People like myself and Karbuncle share this opinion (gasp!), though may be reserved on how much helping would turn into a bad thing (spoon feeding etc).

We're not arguing opinions, we're arguing the facts: the most prominent being that it's simply not necessary, as getting gear for low levels is easy through a variety of avenues and means. Supporting the ways to travel said avenues is also easy. Hence all the examples to support this.

The post made on behalf of the dev team (from the community rep) is also an opinion. Because no matter how much they want to help, it does nothing to change how easy getting gear currently is.

[Karbuncle]

Well, I, for one, haven't been advocating for new players to be spoon fed. I've been suggesting making crafting easier to level (by increasing skill ups) because atm it is too expensive for a new player to get into (and would also provide incentive for older players to give it a whirl if they haven't yet). And increasing the number of affordable items available from npcs.

Neither of those things "spoon feeds" gear to new players.

Good ideas yes. Though I don't think making it easier will make it less costly to level. In fact it might make some items become more expensive due to increased demand, kinda defeating the purpose. But we wouldn't know till we tried.

Well that the issue right there really. The AH should be the first option for people, certainly once you get to the second tier of equipment (leather gear etc.).



Ditto, working for it is very rewarding and a good exercise for people. You can get just as much satisfaction saving for and buying low level gear as much of the gear at end game. However, having nothing to work towards because supply is non-existent is a real turn off for new players. At least IMHO.

Mmm, While i believe AH should be the first place to go. The Low-Level Armor shops in the cities are there for a reason. Just because you should be able to get them at the AH, doesn't make those Shops any more useful, or any less Available. They're there and should be used. That solves basic NQ Gear to ~15. Past that i agree theres a shortage of armor, I noticed it in a few things, I had to camp the AH for a few days for a pair of Battle gloves for instance.

[RAIST]

um... ok... some people are getting it, but some aren't. Some of you keep going back to gear not being in the AH of the starter citeis, and keep ignoring the prospect of acceptable gear being available from the NPC's--even when a specific example is given.

Again....please... provide some specific examples of not being able to find gear you need in a starter city. Several have stated that you can find reasonably priced, adequate gear from NPC's that will take you all the way to Jueno, where you are more likely to find higher teir gear in that AH (which WILL be a mute point once the AH's merge).

[blowfin]

Short and simple: if you think the auction house merge is a good thing we're on the same page. New players have already been spoon fed enough with the exp increase IMHO.

For me it boils down to this: We had a wide range of gear available to us on the Auction house back in the "olde days". Why shouldn't new players these days have the same? For me saving for and buying stuff of the Bastok AH was something I got a massive kick out of, you simply can't do that these days. The depth offered by that part of the game is long gone.

Again: The "craft it yourself" or "buy it from an NPC" arguments are short term, player driven solutions that ignore the actual problem and lack perspective.