The Aegist

[Pixela]

[Alhanelem]

You are blowing an item you can make in 6 hours completely out of proportion. You are beyond oversensitive about it. Get over it.

6 hours? Aren't there still multiple midnight waits and one conquest update? Not to mention the trials which definitely take more than a few minutes to do.

Anyway, anyone who thinks 40m is a lot hasn't ever turned in sparks to get gil. It's like a weekly allowance.

[Sp1cyryan]

6 hours? Aren't there still multiple midnight waits and one conquest update? Not to mention the trials which definitely take more than a few minutes to do.

Anyway, anyone who thinks 40m is a lot hasn't ever turned in sparks to get gil. It's like a weekly allowance.

6 hours for the final 75 item, and a chunk of trials done. They are quick. There's no more wait. It's a game day and 3 hours wait time for stage 1-4 to 75.
You can finish all the trials in a couple hours. I didn't actually make up the timeframe for that statement. It's based on experience from others doing it that fast.

[Pixela]

Anyway, anyone who thinks 40m is a lot hasn't ever turned in sparks to get gil. It's like a weekly allowance.

You get 1-2m a week from sparks.

Making 40m gil without merc work would probably take me 2 weeks, 1 if I went crazy. Most people it would probably take months or more.

40m is a lot of gil for most players.

[Immortal]

You are blowing an item you can make in 6 hours completely out of proportion. You are beyond oversensitive about it. Get over it.

This is such a stupid take. YOU get over it. Why do you have to fight people leaving opinions on an official forum? To me it looks like an issue you need to get over, not them. You are so oversensitive you are coming in here trying to stop anyone from leaving their own opinion. Looks to me like you are the one being oversensitive. Time does not mean the only factor, otherwise there are TONs of items these days that could simply be thrown into login points. Aeonics take little to no time either, AFK or purchase beads > kill easy NMs. So according to you its ok to put them onto login points. To be damned with the history of the item, the fact its in the lore, and so on.

Ok look I'm not gonna fight with someone who's fighting over nothing just one question for you does it make your charcter glow? Yes or no and if the answer Is no then I'll ask this why not finish the weapon instead of using a unfinished one? If looks matter the glow is part of that

Look, nobody gives a shit about your afterlgow. I had over two of them before your character was probably even created. Its not a consideration in the discussion and the only reason you're bringing it up is to try to gloat in a veiled way, pathetic in 2023 lol. We are all fighting over "nothing" on this board, its a 20 year old game that the very own company that runs it doesn't care about. Anything we discuss will be over "nothing" because barely anyone even knows this game is still online thanks to SE and their wonderful marketing.

The line is "can the real thing be told apart from the fake in any way?"

If the answer is yes, it's fine.

If you have an ageis and they have an aegist, we know who put in the effort to obtain an item and who spent their login points. Therefore in my opinion, it doesn't "minimize" your item, accomplishment, or investment, as you still have an aegis and they don't (unless of course, they have one of those too)


This is irrelevant. It's not the exact same item because it's not the exact same item. It has a different name, different stats, they can be posessed at the same time, etc.

It is a different item obtained in a different way with different attributes. That is good enough for me. There is no gray area here.

It's kind of like having two copies of a poster, one signed by the artist on the back and one not. People tend to place different values on something that is autographed over something that isn't. The two posters may look the same, but they are treated differently by different people. The same applies here.

You are entitled to your opinion, but for me you are wrong. They are essentially the exact same model with a slight shift in the face. The stats on the item aren't what my opinion is based on and I have explained that various times. I only mentioned the stats to explain to you why its still iconic and useful in todays game. For me, it is not simply about someone else pretending to have the item. Its about cheapening the image of the shield given that its in lore and iconic. You don't have to agree with my opinion but you aren't going to change it or minimize it by telling me I'm wrong.

I honestly feel like people are being purposely obtuse to devalue others opinions or forcefully change them. If only that logic worked in real life! You can take the exact same product and draw a smiley face on it and it would be ok! No copyrights need apply, its so a different item. Obviouisly if people saw problems with that, even though its not EXACTLY the same but looks similar, why wouldn't they have problems here? The same reasons, it devalues the original in various ways.

[Alhanelem]

6 hours for the final 75 item, and a chunk of trials done. They are quick. There's no more wait. It's a game day and 3 hours wait time for stage 1-4 to 75.
You can finish all the trials in a couple hours. I didn't actually make up the timeframe for that statement. It's based on experience from others doing it that fast.

well it's going to depend on the job. It definitely took me more than an hour or two to do the staff trials.

[Alhanelem]

They are essentially the exact same model with a slight shift in the face.

I mean, that's perfect. If they aren't even visually the same, then as far as I'm concerned there is no problem whatsoever. Plus anyone with a real aegis has probably afterglowed it and thus it will glow and this thing does not. It is not hard to identify a real one.

I'm not wrong. If you can tell them apart, there is no minimizing of anything at all period. Frankly you shouldn't even be fooled at maximum visible range.

Any minimizing of accomplishment occurred years ago when they changed old dynamis and made getting relics stupid easy. This glamour item does little to nothing to change that. If you wanted to complain about this sort of thing you should have done it back then if I'm being honest with you. At that time I could understand feeling like your effort was cheapened. but today even the real thing doesn't take that much work.

[Sp1cyryan]

This is such a stupid take. YOU get over it. Why do you have to fight people leaving opinions on an official forum? To me it looks like an issue you need to get over, not them. You are so oversensitive you are coming in here trying to stop anyone from leaving their own opinion. Looks to me like you are the one being oversensitive. Time does not mean the only factor, otherwise there are TONs of items these days that could simply be thrown into login points. Aeonics take little to no time either, AFK or purchase beads > kill easy NMs. So according to you its ok to put them onto login points. To be damned with the history of the item, the fact its in the lore, and so on.

You are really bad at trying to reverse this. The only ones ranting and raving about "muh lore", "my achievements", etc is you, Pixela, etc.

This is a cosmetic item. Get over it.

well it's going to depend on the job. It definitely took me more than an hour or two to do the staff trials.

Trials for shield are much different. Go check them out. They are very fast in comparison. Which adds to why its even sillier to get worked up over it. People can do a whole shield start to finish + trials in ~6 hours.

[Immortal]

So when an artist copies a song and changes a few words around or copies a piece of art and simply draws a smiley face on it, according to you, thats ok. I really fail to see how you don't understand how it could devalue the original. Its essentially a free visual piece to copy the original and it cheapens the original for sure. It isn't perfect, what would be perfect is the example Pixela gave on the previous page. Make the shield rust colored or "old" and add that face on it. That would be perfect because its a different model and funny. This is the first time in the games history they've taken an item and copied it almost exactly and placed a smiley face on it for login points. The only other known instance is probably the Mindmelter staff which was essentially a recolor of Nirvana, which people also had problems with. Who knows if the people that voiced their disgust for that decision ended up stopping this from happening again until now.

[Immortal]

You are really bad at trying to reverse this. The only ones ranting and raving about "muh lore", "my achievements", etc is you, Pixela, etc.

This is a cosmetic item. Get over it.

We are leaving our opinions for them to read, its about the only thing that can be done. The only ones POSTING here, barely anyone posts on this forum except the same ~10 people including you. Everyone else is either in game or doesn't want to involve themselves because they don't want to deal with people like you who are shaming or actively discouraging people from leaving their opinions.

This being a cosmetic item doesn't matter, people have different opinions. YOU get over it, you are literally wasting space by posting here and being contrarian just to oppose peoples opinions