The Aegist

[zataz]

Hey question I know I could look it up but does it glow yes or no if yes ok they can be upset if it doesn't glow thou why complain about a weapon not finished? i dont get it the glow is part of the look i didnt turn in 3000 riftdross just for 7 pdt on party members from its shield bash lol

[zataz]

Why does it bother you that people dislike this? In that case, according to you, if they make every REMA into a login point item with a smiley face on it, thats ok? People just want to preserve the aesthetic and lore of the game. Defending Ring doesn't even have lore behind it, just came from a popular NM and is a good item. Just because most things are obtainable doesn't mean they should make them all login items and give them away for free. I never liked any of that free crap they give out monthly, so its why I'm giving my opinion. I don't know why that bothers you or why you want to discourage people from complaining about something they deem noteworthy to leave an opinion about. If you don't care good for you, just move on then.

Ok look I'm not gonna fight with someone who's fighting over nothing just one question for you does it make your charcter glow? Yes or no and if the answer Is no then I'll ask this why not finish the weapon instead of using a unfinished one? If looks matter the glow is part of that

[zataz]

The line is "can the real thing be told apart from the fake in any way?"

If the answer is yes, it's fine.

If you have an ageis and they have an aegist, we know who put in the effort to obtain an item and who spent their login points. Therefore in my opinion, it doesn't "minimize" your item, accomplishment, or investment, as you still have an aegis and they don't (unless of course, they have one of those too)


This is irrelevant. It's not the exact same item because it's not the exact same item. It has a different name, different stats, they can be posessed at the same time, etc.

It is a different item obtained in a different way with different attributes. That is good enough for me. There is no gray area here.

It's kind of like having two copies of a poster, one signed by the artist on the back and one not. People tend to place different values on something that is autographed over something that isn't. The two posters may look the same, but they are treated differently by different people. The same applies here.

i agree with you 100% it doesnt matter look at how they tell me my accomplishment doesnt matter when the glow is basically tied to the look lol

[Pixela]

That he chose to do this to Aegis is ultimately what makes it so obnoxious, Aegis is the most well known (even outside of FFXI) and culturally important items in the game bar none.

Aegis to FFXI is like Ashbringer to WoW.

Our brains value visual rarity, and we tend to link high status individuals to the things that it can be considered to help them be a high status individual. This is why designer clothing manufacturers give their products to or even pay high status people to wear or use their products. To use an example Nike to some sports star, or some high ticket clothes to some film star or singer.

When everyone has a Ferrari they become mundane and the link to some impressive individuals you can think of who drove one is watered down in the minds of people in the society.

Similarly if they add a login item that looks near identical to the most widely recognized REMA in the game (outside of close inspection) it vastly devalues the actual Aegis to the point players who used to wear it with pride will slowly start to lockstyle something else now. Which is very sad (btw I don't play Pld before someone thinks this is butthurt over me owning an Aegis, this is about the game that I care about and have been heavily involved with for 20 years).

When I see a paladin with an Aegis it's still triggers in me a some respect for the player wearing it because I associate the Aegis still with a Paladin that put a lot of effort into their character, and it imbues onto them the hard won respect from the best paladins in the game I've played with and seen in action over the years. From the main Paladin in my HNM shell that held Tiamat alone when the rest of us wiped from an mpk, to the Paladin in my first Dyna LS we all helped build an Aegis upon and felt communal pride in the accomplishment.

Very much as the lore of the Aegis states, wearing it does bestow onto you the prestige from other great paladins that wore it in the past in the minds of onlookers, that will 100% soon be gone now.

Aside from this he also chose to make this iconic REMA, that embodies many positives virtues into an item of mockery. So not only did he devalue it with mass production but he also flipped it from a high thought of prestige item into an object of ridicule.

These negatives gave what positives? A stupid joke item that will be funny for 5 minutes?

If you can consider a 20 year old video game to have cultural importance, what Fujito did to the community of the game he oversees is cultural vandalism and shows he has no respect for FFXI at all.

[Sirmarki]

When everyone has a Ferrari they become mundane and the link to some impressive individuals you can think of who drove one is watered down in the minds of people in the society.

Yeh but this is a Ferrari minus the engine and fitted with internal peddles.

In all seriousness though, I do understand where you are coming from, but it is what it is and I don't think many people care.

Which brings me on to the point of - There is no prestige in the game anymore. Widespread mercing killed that off. ANYBODY can make gil, and gil buys pretty much all weapons, so for me, the value has been lost a long time ago (hence why the vast majority of people don't even group up anymore).

[Sp1cyryan]

That he chose to do this to Aegis is ultimately what makes it so obnoxious, Aegis is the most well known (even outside of FFXI) and culturally important items in the game bar none.

Aegis to FFXI is like Ashbringer to WoW.

Our brains value visual rarity, and we tend to link high status individuals to the things that it can be considered to help them be a high status individual. This is why designer clothing manufacturers give their products to or even pay high status people to wear or use their products. To use an example Nike to some sports star, or some high ticket clothes to some film star or singer.

When everyone has a Ferrari they become mundane and the link to some impressive individuals you can think of who drove one is watered down in the minds of people in the society.

Similarly if they add a login item that looks near identical to the most widely recognized REMA in the game (outside of close inspection) it vastly devalues the actual Aegis to the point players who used to wear it with pride will slowly start to lockstyle something else now. Which is very sad (btw I don't play Pld before someone thinks this is butthurt over me owning an Aegis, this is about the game that I care about and have been heavily involved with for 20 years).

When I see a paladin with an Aegis it's still triggers in me a some respect for the player wearing it because I associate the Aegis still with a Paladin that put a lot of effort into their character, and it imbues onto them the hard won respect from the best paladins in the game I've played with and seen in action over the years. From the main Paladin in my HNM shell that held Tiamat alone when the rest of us wiped from an mpk, to the Paladin in my first Dyna LS we all helped build an Aegis upon and felt communal pride in the accomplishment.

Very much as the lore of the Aegis states, wearing it does bestow onto you the prestige from other great paladins that wore it in the past in the minds of onlookers, that will 100% soon be gone now.

Aside from this he also chose to make this iconic REMA, that embodies many positives virtues into an item of mockery. So not only did he devalue it with mass production but he also flipped it from a high thought of prestige item into an object of ridicule.

These negatives gave what positives? A stupid joke item that will be funny for 5 minutes?

If you can consider a 20 year old video game to have cultural importance, what Fujito did to the community of the game he oversees is cultural vandalism and shows he has no respect for FFXI at all.

You are blowing an item you can make in 6 hours completely out of proportion. You are beyond oversensitive about it. Get over it.

[Pixela]

No I'm not, it matters and I explained why. There are other people who are mad about this, and yet more who haven't really thought about it that will be once it's in the game everywhere.

a) this is a login item, it didn't need to happen and really has no worth other than yuckyucks
b) they even recolored the VR weapons to differentiate and can't do it here?
c) people who are annoyed about it need to send a message so he understands this is not cool to replicate in future, if he even cares what players think. If you can't stop the thing, you can at least say you don't like it or you'll get more
d) it's not 6 hours, it's 6 hours++ & 40-50 million gil

It looks dumb as hell, devalues something else and it hurts the game.

Don't disagree with me just because you don't like me, grow up. You care about the game as much as I do given how much time you've invested in it and the wiki, and this is garbage and you know it.

All he needs to do is this and it would take minutes.

[Sp1cyryan]

No I'm not, it matters and I explained why. There are other people who are mad about this, and yet more who haven't really thought about it that will be once it's in the game everywhere.

a) this is a login item, it didn't need to happen and really has no worth other than yuckyucks
b) they even recolored the VR weapons to differentiate and can't do it here?
c) people who are annoyed about it need to send a message so he understands this is not cool to replicate in future, if he even cares what players think. If you can't stop the thing, you can at least say you don't like it or you'll get more
d) it's not 6 hours, it's 6 hours++ & 40-50 million gil

It looks dumb as hell, devalues something else and it hurts the game.

Don't disagree with me just because you don't like me, grow up. You care about the game as much as I do given how much time you've invested in it and the wiki, and this is garbage and you know it.

All he needs to do is this and it would take minutes.

"It's not 6 hours. It's 6 hours and gil!"

Astounding, lol.

This fretting over cosmetics compared to an item with actual purpose is pathetic.

[Pixela]

Do you wonder why people are homeless? They could just goto their bank full of money from their 200k a year tech job, buy a house and go live in it right? You should go tell them how easy it is.

Do I really need to explain that it takes a lot of time to make 30-40 million gil for most people?

Also you're ignoring that there are numerous unlocks and rng drops, you're just taking it for granted someone has everything they need unlocked and ready to make one on demand and the only resistance is the wait times on an npc.

[Sp1cyryan]

Do you wonder why people are homeless? They could just goto their bank full of money from their 200k a year tech job, buy a house and go live in it right? You should go tell them how easy it is.

Do I really need to explain that it takes a lot of time to make 30-40 million gil for most people?

Also you're ignoring that there are numerous unlocks and rng drops, you're just taking it for granted someone has everything they need unlocked and ready to make one on demand and the only resistance is the wait times on an npc.

The game may very well be that important to you (and Draylo) from the sounds of it. However, you can't compare it to homelessness, and shouldn't.
Your attempt at a passive aggressive answer is simply incongruent.

A relic isn't an achievement anymore. It's not hard to get gil. Sorry to break it to you, but it is 2023, not 2007.