Is it time to do away with a "permanent" record?

[GlobalVariable]

If you think it's absurd you've never done moderation for a game studio.

Actually I've moderated for a publishers game forums and have been doing in game (not this game, obviously) moderation for 6 years now. I am not saying people don't do things and then lie about it, I am saying just being punished is not in itself evidence that you "deserved" the exact punishment you got. As evidenced by this thread what punishment fits a "crime" is very debatable. Sometime the rules I have to enforce are more or less harsh than I, or the player, or others privy to the details, would agree with. I do have some degree of room for judgement calls on some of the rules, and one thing in particular I will drop the hammer on is dishonesty about what actually happened. I'm sure you can relate to what I am saying there.

[Alhanelem]

Actually I've moderated for a publishers game forums and have been doing in game (not this game, obviously) moderation for 6 years now. I am not saying people don't do things and then lie about it, I am saying just being punished is not in itself evidence that you "deserved" the exact punishment you got.

I'm not claiming that it is. What I am claiming is that I know from actual cases that more often than not, people who whine about bans legitimately earned them.

I know I earned mine. I said one word that I shouldn't have said, not really rtealizing at the time how it would be taken, and I got what I deserved.

[GlobalVariable]

I'm not claiming that it is. What I am claiming is that I know from actual cases that more often than not, people who whine about bans legitimately earned them.

If you don't argue with a position I'm not taking I won't argue with a position you aren't taking, deal?

[Zehira]

I know I earned mine. I said one word that I shouldn't have said, not really rtealizing at the time how it would be taken, and I got what I deserved.

Gone but never forgotten.

[Alhanelem]

If you don't argue with a position I'm not taking I won't argue with a position you aren't taking, deal?

Your post adds nothing to the discussion. Make an actual argument and we'll talk.

I'm only telling you from personal experience handling bans that ban appeals rarely succeed because their bans were well earned. Doesn't mean there aren't mistakes, we're all human, but mistakes are rare. I don't endorse eprmanent bans but a punishment has to have some kind of impact or it just isn't going to be effective.

[GlobalVariable]

Edit: never mind, I do not believe you are responding in good faith. You've been insulting. I'm done with you.

[Pixela]

An important thing to understand about Alhanelem is he wants to try and get you annoyed so you get banned from the forum, he has been doing it for years.

Once you understand that and that his replies are with that intent you can just reply to him without any emotion.

[Alhanelem]

Edit: never mind, I do not believe you are responding in good faith. You've been insulting. I'm done with you.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I am responding 100% in good faith. You just happen to disagree with my opinion. That's fine, but to imply malice on my part is absolutely wrong and disingenuous.

[Alhanelem]

An important thing to understand about Alhanelem is he wants to try and get you annoyed so you get banned from the forum, he has been doing it for years.

Once you understand that and that his replies are with that intent you can just reply to him without any emotion.

This is also a lie and total fabrication. You're just salty about the "take all the money out of my dbox" thread.

I don't want to annoy anyone or get anyone banned, and I have never done so, ever. And even though you are choosing to make libelous comments, I will not report you. In fact, whatever your problem is, I would love to resolve it if there were a way to do so. Further, even f somebody got banned for posting anything on this forum, that is the result of their actions and their actions alone, and there is no way to prove who reported someone to get them banned (or even if somebody reported them at all, as that's not necessary to get in trouble)

The reality of the situation in this thread is simply two people in hard disagreement. It happens, but that doesn't mean either person is specifically trying to hurt the other.

The sad part is that at least three four people believe what you're saying, even though it is false. So if anyone here is being malicious, it's you. But that's your choice, you do you.

So I will say it one more time. Disagreeing with people does not imply intent to annoy or cause harm in any way. I have never had this intent, and I never will. So I take extreme issue with your accusation of malice where none exists.

The funny part is this is all based on a technicality, I already said above I do not endorse permanent bans.

(another edit: Fixed "his" to "the")

[Zehira]

"take all the money out of my dbox" thread

Couldn't agree more, Mr White Knight. XD