Is it time to do away with a "permanent" record?

[Voidstorm]

We're talking about a video game. There shouldn't be permanent bans for anything that isn't actually illegal in the countries the game is hosted to.
RMT either is or should be illegal.
Doing some major hacks to wreak havoc on the game can be viewed as an attack on the company and they should be able to sue for damages.


The punishment needs to match the crime. for current policy of in-game repercussions in real world terms: RMT= capitol punishment; bad words=1~2 jail sentances w/o parole followed by capitol punishment; dupe/exploit = 0~1 jail sentence w/o parole followed by capitol punishment.
Your record is permanent, bad words 15 years ago, 5 years ago, and today? bye
As for real world repercussions: RMT = cost of a new account; bad words = cost of a new account; dupe/exploit = cost of a new account.

[Sirmarki]

The punishment needs to match the crime.

I highly doubt people are banned because of a few bad words in yell (unless they really do cross the line).
In reality we are looking at people who use automation, the bending of game mechanics, and damage the game for other people around them in the process.
If people are willing to take that risk, then they must face the consequences.

A leopard rarely changes its spots...

SE already have that kind of system in place, temporary bans for 'light offenses' and permanent bans for offenses considered 'game breaking', or 'damaging to others'.

[Pixela]

SE already have that kind of system in place, temporary bans for 'light offenses' and permanent bans for offenses considered 'game breaking', or 'damaging to others'.

Everyone gets a temp ban, for anything. If you get 2 temp bans then that = full perma ban. You can get 2 temp bans over the course of 20 years for literally anything and face a perma ban.

To use a real world analogy, it's like jay walking twice (once when you were 12) and then getting life in prison.

[Sirmarki]

Everyone gets a temp ban, for anything. If you get 2 temp bans then that = full perma ban. You can get 2 temp bans over the course of 20 years for literally anything and face a perma ban.

I've never had one.......
I think a lot more people would be banned if that was the case. Also, once you have a temp ban, isn't that a wake up call to follow the rules more closely? To get temp, temp and then ban (2 warnings) is your own doing, doesn't matter over what time period. Anyway, where is your evidence that past strikes have any baring on if you are perma banned or not?

To use a real world analogy, it's like jay walking twice (once when you were 12) and then getting life in prison.

Can't relate to that, where I come from, you can cross the road anywhere legally.

[Catmato]

I've never had one.......

You might have. They don't tell you about it unless you log in during the suspension and get the LM-# error.

I thought it was a good idea to put all the folks who broke the rules on a Jail server.

Sounds good. Send them all to Asura.

[Mike]

If you get 2 temp bans then that = full perma ban.

This is just not true. I've been temp banned, 72 hours, for harrassing RMTs three times over the years and one for accusations of MPK'ing by an idiot griefing colonization reives back in the day for fighting chapulis near his 24/7 afk chars inside the reive. I also had a fifth ban for putting "Koga, no thanks" in by bazaar message back in the day on Ifrit.

[Pixela]

This is just not true. I've been temp banned, 72 hours, for harrassing RMTs three times over the years and one for accusations of MPK'ing by an idiot griefing colonization reives back in the day for fighting chapulis near his 24/7 afk chars inside the reive. I also had a fifth ban for putting "Koga, no thanks" in by bazaar message back in the day on Ifrit.

If this is true it's not the norm, I've known a lot of people that were banned after a second offense and they were not serious due to being in the HNM scene and also the same rules apply to XIV.

[GlobalVariable]

I highly doubt people are banned because of a few bad words in yell (unless they really do cross the line).

You don't get penalized for casually tossing out an F bomb once in a while.

I have seen multiple people get banned for swearing. One close friend perma-banned for swearing. He got reported once for allegedly bad bazaar shouts (someone took offense to advertising signed items "too often") and then for swearing Was told this was his 3rd strike and now its permanent. Other people were swearing too, but nobody was mad at them to report them. Squeaky wheel gets the grease. He wasn't harassing anybody. I was there.

This mentality of "well if it happened you deserved it" is pretty absurd. I do think perma-bans have their place though. I just think the criteria ought to be stricter for it. I also think perma banned players shouldn't be able to just bounce right back like they often do.. I have met numerous perma banned players who in no time flat have a new account and are back at cap building REMA again while cheating their rear ends off, again. Its infuriating.

[Gwydion]

I never liked GTA5 online at all, but I thought it was a good idea to put all the folks who broke the rules on a Jail server. For FFXI, this could be a limited server or even just Mordion Goal x 1000 ...I always thought it was strange that Mordion Goal was not utilized more effectively for temp bans. I do think that SE should count temp bans as "Strikes" that can expire in one year. If you get 2-3 strikes on a year, the 2nd or 3rd strike will be a permanent ban. Just my two cents.

It's kind of a shame to be penalized for a behavior from 5, 10 or even 15 years ago, but if SE wants to keep that stance, they should make temporary bans longer, 1 week or 1-month....and use Mordion Goal more if needed.

[Elkanah]

I never liked GTA5 online at all, but I thought it was a good idea to put all the folks who broke the rules on a Jail server. For FFXI, this could be a limited server or even just Mordion Goal x 1000 ...I always thought it was strange that Mordion Goal was not utilized more effectively for temp bans. I do think that SE should count temp bans as "Strikes" that can expire in one year. If you get 2-3 strikes on a year, the 2nd or 3rd strike will be a permanent ban. Just my two cents.

It's kind of a shame to be penalized for a behavior from 5, 10 or even 15 years ago, but if SE wants to keep that stance, they should make temporary bans longer, 1 week or 1-month....and use Mordion Goal more if needed.

The only issue I ever saw with the GTA V online jail server, was that they put the same people who used a swear word in the same category as the people who legitimately cheated. Crime doesn't really fit the punishment deserved. As a former CS support agent for Xbox, I can tell you that it's the most annoying thing about enforcement by the companies who think that both have the same fitting punishment for Rockstar, Activision, among other companies. Neither of which made sense. Cheating the game, yeah, I can totally agree. But that makes no sense for someone who said "F-" in chat once, or poked someone a few times.