Is it time to do away with a "permanent" record?

[Tsukihika]

I do agree that the system can be quite unfairly strict and doesn't always seem to judge cases properly, as many players have posted here as evidence.

What's important to understand though, is that not every person is mentally built to handle verbal abuse and bullying. Some people are extremely sensitive to such things and have great difficulties when it comes to handling any kind of conflict. In some extreme cases it may even deal to severe anxiety attacks. And that is certainly not their fault and nobody can blame them for being bothered by such abuse.

[Pixela]

This isn't about bullying, it's about the foundation of the system.

You can warn someone and then ban their account on the 2nd action, the points is that the warning should not last for the entire life of the game.

[Leny]

Blacklists exist. No one can "bully" you via chat. It is impossible.

All text based transgressions should be penalty free regardless. As as system already exists to eliminate it.

If a person uses mules to negate the system, they've burned their "warning" by using more than one character and that would be bannable.

[Alhanelem]

Blacklists exist. No one can "bully" you via chat. It is impossible.

All text based transgressions should be penalty free regardless. As as system already exists to eliminate it.

If a person uses mules to negate the system, they've burned their "warning" by using more than one character and that would be bannable.

The existence of the blacklist is not an excuse to do type or do that break the rules / harass others, just the same as the existence of a curse filter on forums and chats is not an excuse to curse.

The fact that self-help resolutions are available does not make it suddenly okay for others to break the rules. Generally though, if you're being harassed, a GM will tell you to use the blacklist. But if they continue to find other ways to harass you after blacklisting them, then they will usually take action.

[Tsukihika]

Nevertheless, placing such timer on this ban system would simply allow people to wait it out after getting their first warning, and resume their illegal activities after that waiting period. There's nothing to fear if all they would get is gentle slap on wrist, and that is assuming they get caught breaking rules to begin with. This could simply lead to players being increasingly reckless and really testing the limits of what they can or cannot do in the game. And simply take a break from the game if they ever end up getting such warning, only to resume right after this period ends.

Besides, it's not like you cannot continue playing the game after getting banned due to punishment for breaking mutually agreed rules (user agreement and terms of service). One can simply purchase and create new account, and start anew. Hopefully wiser the second time. The various QoL improvements over years have even made this much easier than what it used to be.

[Alhanelem]

Nevertheless, placing such timer on this ban system would simply allow people to wait it out after getting their first warning, and resume their illegal activities after that waiting period. There's nothing to fear if all they would get is gentle slap on wrist, and that is assuming they get caught breaking rules to begin with. This could simply lead to players being increasingly reckless and really testing the limits of what they can or cannot do in the game. And simply take a break from the game if they ever end up getting such warning, only to resume right after this period ends.
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Now I'm not saying I agree with the notion that anything needs to be changed here, but let's be honest, do you know any unscrupulous mischief makers that could get in trouble for doing something bad, wait out the 1 year or whatever cooldown to get their strikes removed behaving like an angel, and then start causing trouble again right after it wears off on cue?

For most people, you either reform after the first penalty, or you keep offending. you don't reform temporarily until your penalty wears off.

[Coffeegood]

We are wasting money I can conclude from all the evidence. They should just do away with NA access since they leave 2 months now of new odyssey content bugs un-fixed it shows you what your $13+ per month will buy you from Square Enix's super ffxi dev team. Then nobody would be complaining about being treated unfair because you would know concretely THEY DON'T CARE what u think instead of observing the ongoing evidence like a logical being and coming up with the same conclusion.
(Now to the topic at hand) Banning for language when they have npc dialogue too that says damn and hell in it already is obsurd too I agree ban's should only exist if you are impeding someone in game from playing it properly by breaking rules, ie. pos hacking, botting profusely, harassment via many ways even ways that havn't been invented yet, and more.

[Alhanelem]

I also had a fifth ban for putting "Koga, no thanks" in by bazaar message back in the day on Ifrit.

This seems odd. What's the context behind this?

But I think the lesson you need to learn is other people engaging in bad behavior is not an excuse to subject them to bad behavior of your own. Two wrongs don't make a right.

[Zehira]

Still paranoid about getting banned? I feel bad but to each their own.

I remember there is a cooldown for the penalty. I am not sure if it is still the same system (never met any GM in the game before... still zero GM calls).

SE picks favorites, it's like I am being reported in FFXIV and have a GM to look at me: "Hmm.... Yeah I have heard that person before."