Is it time to do away with a "permanent" record?

[Pixela]

On FFXI, we have one warning ban and then the next is a perma ban. This made sense many years ago when the rules were made but do they now?

Considering this game is nearly 20 years old, is this really fair and does the company really want to lose people that have played that long that are not bad people? Considering you can get a temp ban for killing or even annoying a RMT or bot or being edgy in shout 19 years ago? You can literally get a temp ban for warping a bot or RMT job point seller.

Is there any possibility this can bet set to the last few years or something to be more fair to players that have spent large portions of their life playing this game and still do? Many of us were teenagers when we started playing this game and 20 years is a long long time, the way we acted when we were 14 is not how we would act now.

Is there any possibility one of the community team can suggest this or promote the idea to someone that can make a decision on it?

I'm all for one a warning and then a ban but that one warning lasting 20+ years is totally unfair considering you can get a ban for very minor things and there is little in the way of appealing a ban (from what i read).

We have played this game since we were teenagers, our accounts mean a lot to us and this rule is not fair at all. Please consider, passing this idea along to someone that can make a decision on it community team!

[Sirmarki]

The rule is quite simple.......... Don't cheat... Don't cheat and you won't have anything to worry about.

[Pixela]

The rule is quite simple.......... Don't cheat... Don't cheat and you won't have anything to worry about.

I don't think you understand how it works.

You can get a ban from saying a bad word in yell, you can get a ban for annoying someone like talking their mob if they are AOE killing (I know people who got a temp ban for pulling a monster from an AOE farmer - "harassment"), you can get a ban from MPK a bot or RMT, you can get a ban for joining their party selling job points and warping them, you can get a ban from being lewd in say when you were 14. You can get a ban from other things than cheating and considering many of us were teenagers when this game came out and were a lot more stupid back then it's unfair to have a one strike and you're out policy that lasts 20+ years.

Especially since they don't have a very good appeal system.

[Sirmarki]

I don't think you understand how it works.

I don't think you do.

Everything you mentioned is stated in the Terms of Service as something you shouldn't do - so don't do it. It's that simple, follow the rules, and you have nothing to worry about.
If anything, SE should be coming down harder on people who choose to violate them.

[Pixela]

I don't think you do.

Everything you mentioned is stated in the Terms of Service as something you shouldn't do - so don't do it. It's that simple, follow the rules, and you have nothing to worry about.
If anything, SE should be coming down harder on people who choose to violate them.

Have you ever been a teenager? I ask because I'm really not sure.

[Sirmarki]

Have you ever been a teenager? I ask because I'm really not sure.

No, I haven't... I was born a full blown adult.

[Mike]

you can get a ban for joining their party selling job points and warping them

IMHO, this should be rewarded and not penalized.

[Soraii]

It. Is. A. Game. There shouldn't be permanent records at all.

Imagine being banned for life from owning a super nintendo for using a gameshark. That's really stupid.

[Sirmarki]

Imagine being banned for life from owning a super nintendo for using a gameshark. That's really stupid.

Not really sure how you can compare a mostly offline single player console from the 90's to an online MMO.

Obviously in an MMO there are other people around. By people cheating gives them an advantage and has a detrimental effect on the people around them.

Like I said, it is all in the ToS that you agree to when you play the game. What you determine as 'really stupid' or not is really a null point.

[Zehira]

Yes, Asura is where all the bad boys play. I haven't got one warning or in Mordion Goal since 2003. I only saw one member in my exp party was teleported to there and that was years ago. So I agree with this thread. Record shall be based on the last 12 months or something.

It. Is. A. Game. There shouldn't be permanent records at all.

Imagine being banned for life from owning a super nintendo for using a gameshark. That's really stupid.

Xbox itself can get locked up from online for cheating/hacking and an account won't. People have to buy another Xbox if they want to play online again. It called a policy and it can be changed again anytime and we have to read it to agree again. *nods* Many people don't really read the whole policies from many different companies. Policies can assist a company in defending against legal claims.

FFXI on the other hand is a PC game only so who cares what they do and what they want to do so as long as they don't hurt other players' experience.