Fixes to Current Ninja Job

[Anethia]

Have you even tried tanking on a low level ninja these days? For those unlucky enough to not get a keyspot/leech have to suffer pretending to be PLDs for quite a while before they even become even worth using. Every DD and their cousin can rip aggression from them, the only fact theyre still used as low level tanks is because it's hard to break a trend. NIN is not meant to, and never was meant to be a 'tank' pre Abyssea, and whoever in the community thought it'd be cool to waste consumables on doing so made a really awful trend.

YOU try dealing with trying to pretend to be a tank, because quite frankly, I hate it. Your damage dealing potential until 60+ is awful, spamming consumables doesn't really help if a DD can cap his hate before you can, and most people want to sync to IT on mobs rather than VT for comfortable tanking; so you are basically eating shadows and wasting gil. If anything, low level nin needs some rounding off. Blade: Hi doesn't account for EVERY nin out there, and frankly is a bad example for saying it's hard to feel sorry for them.

I think you need to consider that we are mostly referring to nins already at the current lvl cap.

I'm not disagreeing on the low end of things, having lvl'd nin as a support job for dnc and blu I understand the difficulty pre lvl 60, I chose to solo my nin for 37 of my 45 lvl's on the job simply because I didn't wanna bother with hate control. I was simply stating that with higher lvl nins having some of the best evasion and now getting 9 shadows with +1/2 af3 and migawari, face tanks like paladin don't get the shine they deserve against the harder hitting NM's.

[Lynchilles]

Have you even tried tanking on a low level ninja these days? For those unlucky enough to not get a keyspot/leech have to suffer pretending to be PLDs for quite a while before they even become even worth using. Every DD and their cousin can rip aggression from them, the only fact theyre still used as low level tanks is because it's hard to break a trend. NIN is not meant to, and never was meant to be a 'tank' pre Abyssea, and whoever in the community thought it'd be cool to waste consumables on doing so made a really awful trend.

YOU try dealing with trying to pretend to be a tank, because quite frankly, I hate it. Your damage dealing potential until 60+ is awful, spamming consumables doesn't really help if a DD can cap his hate before you can, and most people want to sync to IT on mobs rather than VT for comfortable tanking; so you are basically eating shadows and wasting gil. If anything, low level nin needs some rounding off. Blade: Hi doesn't account for EVERY nin out there, and frankly is a bad example for saying it's hard to feel sorry for them.

If this is the case, then you're doing it wrong.

I'm currently leveling Ninja. I just hit level 65 yesterday. I've never had a problem holding hate against DD's in the party. So I don't know what you're talking about here.

As far as "Q.Q it wastes too much gil to level Ninja Q.Q" - then don't level it.

[Hoshi]

5) Mijin Gakure: Shouldn't be a two-hour ability, plain and simple. Personally, I haven't met many ninja that have used this 2 hour in any strategic way, other than to death warp home. It's original intent was probably for it to be a huge instantaneous damaging final attack to save the user's experience points as party members flee to safety, or saved due to the ability killing the target. Unfortunately, the damage for the 2 Hour is often extremely low to be effective in defeating the target at all. This ability was later converted as a nod towards the accepted tanking role that the players gave to NIN-- but remaining on a 2 hour timer makes the ability vastly useless. Placing it on a 10 minute timer with something else added and replacing it as the 2-hour, seems more reasonable (this also in turn brings more value to the mythic weapon, Nagi).

Since they adjusted mijin gakure it's a remarkably useful 2-hour. It allows NIN to quickly remove their weakened status and resume tanking. If SE made mijin gakure into a 10 minute ability I imagine they would remove the ability to recover from mijin with half hp and no weakened status and then mijin gakure would be completely useless.

[Andylynn]

If this is the case, then you're doing it wrong.

I'm currently leveling Ninja. I just hit level 65 yesterday. I've never had a problem holding hate against DD's in the party. So I don't know what you're talking about here.

As far as "Q.Q it wastes too much gil to level Ninja Q.Q" - then don't level it.

Has nothing to do with 'doing it wrong,' you see that's the lovely part about anecdotes, you leave out those wonderful things called variables. You know, as if in you have a PL, where you sync, your squadmates, etc. Saying 'I can do this' without anything other than 'because I said I can' is evidence of nothing. Without a good thf I don't believe you would have any chance in Hades keeping aggro against a well armed SAM, WAR, or DRG using Penta Thrust out in Wajaom or Bhaflau.

[Avarice]

^^^agreed. I have a hard time feeling sorry for nins when abyssea has clearly allowed them to usurp the tanking role almost entirely, relegating paladins to "no thanks" jobs for most situations.

To be fair, Paladin was already sorta-kinda heading that way to begin with.



Also, gil is hard to get? Wat?

[Shoko]

Since they adjusted mijin gakure it's a remarkably useful 2-hour. It allows NIN to quickly remove their weakened status and resume tanking. If SE made mijin gakure into a 10 minute ability I imagine they would remove the ability to recover from mijin with half hp and no weakened status and then mijin gakure would be completely useless.

Why would they do this if it was a 10 minute ability? It's not as if you can abuse it-- if you die again with in 5 minutes after Mijin on a 10 minute timer, you would be out of luck for 5 minutes. This why I said 10 minutes in the first place instead of 5 (or something lower). Even a 15 or 20 minute timer is reasonable over 2 hours.

[Anethia]

If I recall this was a thread about "how to fix" a job that some of us don't think needs fixing. The ideas presented were good although unnecessary in some opinions. This thread has now degraded into nothing more than pointless insults. Try to get back on track please.

[Alhanelem]

It would also likely give 5 shadows.

It gave 7 shadows when it was in the game breifly (used by monsters).

Utsusemi:San is completely unnecessary, especially with the NIN empyrean +2 gear, which adds a shadow to both ni and ichi.

[wish12oz]

I'm sorry but I have trouble feeling sorry for ninjas when I'm always seeing them spam Blade: Hi for 4-6k damage.

Ninja does a lot less damage then warrior, it honestly needs a damage output increase. So do a lot of other jobs though~

Throwing sucks, move past it, it doesn't need to be better.
Subtle Blow is an amazing thing.
I agree that our 2 hour and merits are mostly garbage, but I would be pretty angry if half this stuff got implemented the way you want it to.

[wish12oz]

Has nothing to do with 'doing it wrong,' you see that's the lovely part about anecdotes, you leave out those wonderful things called variables. You know, as if in you have a PL, where you sync, your squadmates, etc. Saying 'I can do this' without anything other than 'because I said I can' is evidence of nothing. Without a good thf I don't believe you would have any chance in Hades keeping aggro against a well armed SAM, WAR, or DRG using Penta Thrust out in Wajaom or Bhaflau.

We also went over how low level ninja outparses every other job, and is an amazing tank in the thread you made complaining about it:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...s-badly./page6
start from there, you can't miss it.