Fixes to Current Ninja Job

[Atomic_Skull]

I'm sorry but I have trouble feeling sorry for ninjas when I'm always seeing them spam Blade: Hi for 4-6k damage.

[Anethia]

I'm sorry but I have trouble feeling sorry for ninjas when I'm always seeing them spam Blade: Hi for 4-6k damage.

^^^agreed. I have a hard time feeling sorry for nins when abyssea has clearly allowed them to usurp the tanking role almost entirely, relegating paladins to "no thanks" jobs for most situations.

[Andylynn]

^^^agreed. I have a hard time feeling sorry for nins when abyssea has clearly allowed them to usurp the tanking role almost entirely, relegating paladins to "no thanks" jobs for most situations.

Have you even tried tanking on a low level ninja these days? For those unlucky enough to not get a keyspot/leech have to suffer pretending to be PLDs for quite a while before they even become even worth using. Every DD and their cousin can rip aggression from them, the only fact theyre still used as low level tanks is because it's hard to break a trend. NIN is not meant to, and never was meant to be a 'tank' pre Abyssea, and whoever in the community thought it'd be cool to waste consumables on doing so made a really awful trend.

YOU try dealing with trying to pretend to be a tank, because quite frankly, I hate it. Your damage dealing potential until 60+ is awful, spamming consumables doesn't really help if a DD can cap his hate before you can, and most people want to sync to IT on mobs rather than VT for comfortable tanking; so you are basically eating shadows and wasting gil. If anything, low level nin needs some rounding off. Blade: Hi doesn't account for EVERY nin out there, and frankly is a bad example for saying it's hard to feel sorry for them.

[Anethia]

Have you even tried tanking on a low level ninja these days? For those unlucky enough to not get a keyspot/leech have to suffer pretending to be PLDs for quite a while before they even become even worth using. Every DD and their cousin can rip aggression from them, the only fact theyre still used as low level tanks is because it's hard to break a trend. NIN is not meant to, and never was meant to be a 'tank' pre Abyssea, and whoever in the community thought it'd be cool to waste consumables on doing so made a really awful trend.

YOU try dealing with trying to pretend to be a tank, because quite frankly, I hate it. Your damage dealing potential until 60+ is awful, spamming consumables doesn't really help if a DD can cap his hate before you can, and most people want to sync to IT on mobs rather than VT for comfortable tanking; so you are basically eating shadows and wasting gil. If anything, low level nin needs some rounding off. Blade: Hi doesn't account for EVERY nin out there, and frankly is a bad example for saying it's hard to feel sorry for them.

I think you need to consider that we are mostly referring to nins already at the current lvl cap.

I'm not disagreeing on the low end of things, having lvl'd nin as a support job for dnc and blu I understand the difficulty pre lvl 60, I chose to solo my nin for 37 of my 45 lvl's on the job simply because I didn't wanna bother with hate control. I was simply stating that with higher lvl nins having some of the best evasion and now getting 9 shadows with +1/2 af3 and migawari, face tanks like paladin don't get the shine they deserve against the harder hitting NM's.

[Lynchilles]

Have you even tried tanking on a low level ninja these days? For those unlucky enough to not get a keyspot/leech have to suffer pretending to be PLDs for quite a while before they even become even worth using. Every DD and their cousin can rip aggression from them, the only fact theyre still used as low level tanks is because it's hard to break a trend. NIN is not meant to, and never was meant to be a 'tank' pre Abyssea, and whoever in the community thought it'd be cool to waste consumables on doing so made a really awful trend.

YOU try dealing with trying to pretend to be a tank, because quite frankly, I hate it. Your damage dealing potential until 60+ is awful, spamming consumables doesn't really help if a DD can cap his hate before you can, and most people want to sync to IT on mobs rather than VT for comfortable tanking; so you are basically eating shadows and wasting gil. If anything, low level nin needs some rounding off. Blade: Hi doesn't account for EVERY nin out there, and frankly is a bad example for saying it's hard to feel sorry for them.

If this is the case, then you're doing it wrong.

I'm currently leveling Ninja. I just hit level 65 yesterday. I've never had a problem holding hate against DD's in the party. So I don't know what you're talking about here.

As far as "Q.Q it wastes too much gil to level Ninja Q.Q" - then don't level it.

[Andylynn]

If this is the case, then you're doing it wrong.

I'm currently leveling Ninja. I just hit level 65 yesterday. I've never had a problem holding hate against DD's in the party. So I don't know what you're talking about here.

As far as "Q.Q it wastes too much gil to level Ninja Q.Q" - then don't level it.

Has nothing to do with 'doing it wrong,' you see that's the lovely part about anecdotes, you leave out those wonderful things called variables. You know, as if in you have a PL, where you sync, your squadmates, etc. Saying 'I can do this' without anything other than 'because I said I can' is evidence of nothing. Without a good thf I don't believe you would have any chance in Hades keeping aggro against a well armed SAM, WAR, or DRG using Penta Thrust out in Wajaom or Bhaflau.

[Avarice]

^^^agreed. I have a hard time feeling sorry for nins when abyssea has clearly allowed them to usurp the tanking role almost entirely, relegating paladins to "no thanks" jobs for most situations.

To be fair, Paladin was already sorta-kinda heading that way to begin with.



Also, gil is hard to get? Wat?

[wish12oz]

Has nothing to do with 'doing it wrong,' you see that's the lovely part about anecdotes, you leave out those wonderful things called variables. You know, as if in you have a PL, where you sync, your squadmates, etc. Saying 'I can do this' without anything other than 'because I said I can' is evidence of nothing. Without a good thf I don't believe you would have any chance in Hades keeping aggro against a well armed SAM, WAR, or DRG using Penta Thrust out in Wajaom or Bhaflau.

We also went over how low level ninja outparses every other job, and is an amazing tank in the thread you made complaining about it:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...s-badly./page6
start from there, you can't miss it.