Concerns about SCH.

[Tezz]

IDK about you guys, but i'm feeling burnt on SCH due to inventory issues and such. I keep wanting to get on SCH and have "fun", but due to, practically, non-existent popularity & over 80 inventory i just don't play it (and it sux since its one of the only jobs i care about).

I'm usually on WHM or MNK these days. It just sux because i "gave up" on FF14 for now and the trend is carrying over into FF11 now, or so it seems.

[Rambus]

IDK about you guys, but i'm feeling burnt on SCH due to inventory issues and such. I keep wanting to get on SCH and have "fun", but due to, practically, non-existent popularity & over 80 inventory i just don't play it (and it sux since its one of the only jobs i care about).

I'm usually on WHM or MNK these days. It just sux because i "gave up" on FF14 for now and the trend is carrying over into FF11 now, or so it seems.

blu has more reason to complain about going over 80 slots then a SCH does, only reason I can understand what you are saying is going overboard with magain staffs.

I can fit PDT, MDT, convert gear and sublimation sets on me ( added to the normal casting sets)

[Miera]

The fact is that I'm sure SE sees the imbalance and one way or another rdm and sch can expect Cure V, whether anyone likes it or not. New topic, Manifestation and nukes! Consider Abyssea, esp for time farming where typically BLMs Aga III / Aja 10-20 mobs at a time for chests, I'd like to see SCH be able to AoE their nukes, I'd even accept a huge decrease in damage per target, like 1 target, obviously 100% dmg, and 4 targets would be 25% damage each, caps at 10% damage for 10+ targets. I'd just like the option. It would also be nice if they applied to yellow procs, Manifestation, Thunder III = Thundaga III proc.

And before anyone quotes with with "QQ SCH shouldn't be able to aga that's unrealistic!", take into consideration that our "precious" BLMs fall far below the chain vs. a BLU with the correct Atmas using Charged Whisker for 5000-6000 DMG per target.

I don't think that's an unrealistic request considering the pathetic damage downsides I posted above, this would help with the fact that SCH gets very limited proc options, and even less chances to contribute in time farms.

I had always beleived if the SCH NPCs you have to fight through out the SCH missions can use Manifestation and a Elemental nuke then I think we should too. What gives? its not like we have access to Ancient Magic.

Also, I use Libra and the Enmity spells all the time. It Lets me know if I or anyone else is close to pulling too much hate, like the WHM, BLMs, and DD. Sadly, yes Libra is far too short range and you basically have to be on their butts to use and I hate that its party only instead of alliance.

Edit

Also on that weird Libra thing, I've seen that as well. I used it on a Member who had been charmed by a NM out in Tahrongi Canyon.

[Tezz]

I can fit PDT, MDT, convert gear and sublimation sets on me ( added to the normal casting sets)

Do you guys just not carry light arts gear or something? I know i could likely sacrifice a few pieces now (because of Atmas) but not nearly enough to actually have room for pDT & mDT sets. That's just crazyiness.

Please post your inventory and/or gear sets that you carry on you.

[Rambus]

Do you guys just not carry light arts gear or something? I know i could likely sacrifice a few pieces now (because of Atmas) but not nearly enough to actually have room for pDT & mDT sets. That's just crazyiness.

Please post your inventory and/or gear sets that you carry on you.

Nuking:
8 HQ staff
bugard strap+1
maats cap/ savant's bonnet+2
Savant's gown +2
Twlight cape/ potentia cape
Savant's chain/ uggalpich pedant
Savant's bracers+2
Congnitation belt/ ice obi/ dark obi/ thunder obi
Phantom tathlum
Hecate's earing/ moldavite earing
snow ring/ diamond ring ( int6)
Cyebele pants
savant's loafers

Enfeebling set:
Maats cap
scholar's gown
potentia cape ( not really useful but all i have atm)
Enfeebling torque
Argute braxers
cognition belt
snow/diamond
Savants pants +1 ( i am holding out on doing +2 because it is a waiste of stones, my way of showing SE/people these are useless and needs more)
Savant's loafers +2

totals 377 skill way more then you need in a lol75game.

379 and 381 is same for Phalanx so i am not sure what skill ups i need or gear to hit the next level anyways
Enchancing magic:
Savant's bonnet+2
argute gown
colossus's torque
scholar's pants
augmenting earring
fulcio grip

convert:
1192 hp/1123 mp ( I can't have all my gear currenty from being 80/80,80/80,80/80,80/80,80/80,80/80 once sobek skins get stackable and such ill be able to properly state my gear)
Walahra turban
Argute gown
twlight cape
uggalepih pendant
savant's bracers+2
Yiget seraweels
savant loafers+2
bomb queen ring
antivenom earing
happy egg

sublimation store:
Walahra turban
Argute gown
twlight cape
uggalepih pendant
savant's bracers+2
Yiget seraweels
savant loafers+2
bomb queen ring
antivenom earing
happy egg
Creek M clomps ( porb better now but this is reycled gear)
cassie earing

MDT:
Twilight torque
Coral ring
Mermani's ring
coral earing

PDT:
Twilight torque
Terra's staff
jelly ring
umbra cape

HMP:
Pluto staff
Yiget set
Austerity belt
Invigorating cape
Phi necklace
Relaxing earing
Antivenom earing

Dark magic:
(not much , i need relic pants too)
scholar's gown
aesir torque
dark obi ( when needed but not like i have a real belt anyway)

[Bubeeky]

Let us whms keep Cure V, it's the only thing keeping us as top healer....if you sch's and rdms get cure V, we'll be back where we were at 75, with whm being meh...it's our job to heal, Sch is a battle tactician, it needs more unique things, like those enmity adjustor spells, or the regain spell, or something else we've never seen before....if you guys get cure V, you'll stop being unique mages and go right back to being substitute whms

[Sotek]

Christ, some White Mages just really don't know what makes their job worthwhile, do they? Forgive me, you didn't quote anyone so I just assume you're against the majority of suggestions saying "give Cure V without the enmity reduction", enmity being the primary reason White Mage is top.

Why are people against Scholar being a substitute mage anyway? Did people completely forget that it's meant to be a White Mage or a Black Mage or a Red Mage depending on the situation? Light Arts and Dark Arts are tactical choices, right now Scholar leans heavily on only being a substitute Black Mage or Red Mage without a worthwhile Cure spell. I've main healed on Scholar just fine on new NMs, a higher healing Cure spell would be nice simply because there are times I barely pull through (<3 Quick-Magic). I still wouldn't take a Scholar over a White Mage though, enmity is a very real issue for me where as White Mage wont pull hate unless everyone else is dead. Cure V gaining more hate than Cure VI for Scholar, only an idiot would spam that. It's far easier to invite a White Mage to just spam virtually hate free Cures than it is to invite a Scholar who's going to have to watch their enmity.

Oh and SE should just remove the whole Enmity Douse and Cure V/VI effects and give them to Scholar in the form of spells. I find it disheartening to see them want to move Scholar towards an "enmity controller" class when they give everyone else means to completely negate hate. What do we get? +5/-5 Enmity spells. Brilliant.
Unless the whole enmity aspect gets changed into something similar to a substitute Corsair/Bard, there's really no point with it at this stage in the game (even then Animus spells are trash), fights are shorter, parties are smaller and hate just doesn't matter anymore, most jobs can act as psudo-tanks or cannot even gain hate or can simply wipe it clean. Very few jobs have to hold back any more. Ironically Scholar is one of the few that does.

[Bubeeky]

Actually, I am against giving sch's cure V at all, now that you mention it They aren't supposed to be on the same power level as whm, and I applaud SE for taking sch away from the healer mage idea

Also, with all the massive enmity control out there through gear/atmas/skill, it shouldn't be an issue

PS. that signature is utterly facinating lol

[Sotek]

Err... I have to completely disagree with you then.

This new enmity role as it is now is an abysmal direction to take Scholar in. Anyone who actually thinks these additions are worthwhile probably thinks Occult Acumen is a neat addition to Dark Knight. Keeping Scholar as a White Mage or Black Mage based on the situation (read: tactical) with a hint of Time Mage and Geomancer mixed in was a much better way to advance the job. Cure V is a part of making Scholar all that past level 75 and I'd much rather have seen Storm II than Libra and Animus.

White Mage should not feel threatened at all by Scholar getting Cure V (with greater hate gain than Cure IV). It takes a completely awful White Mage to pull hate, conversely, it would take an absolutely brilliant Scholar to main heal with Cure V and not pull hate. I can nearly pull hate support healing with Cure IV while a White Mage sits and spams Cure V/VI for the whole fight without consequence for crying out load. Do you really think that with Cure V Scholar is going to replace White Mage? MP isn't going to be an issue outside Abyssea unless you take playing level 75 content too literally and refuse to use any new content outside Abyssea. We have Refresh II and Ballad III now, and gear that enhances them. They're worthless in Abyssea but outside they're amazing.

[Bubeeky]

mechanical question though...how exactly would they give sch without giving the enmity down thing unless they removed it from whm too? I'd imagine it to be difficult to have the same spell twice in the game, one with enmity, one without.

Also, I don't feel threatened by sch having cure V to be honest, I don't like the idea of sch being able to be whm or blm of power rivalling a true whm or blm...the benefit of a pure mage is that we have power that far surpasses others in our field.

I don't pretend to know what they could do for sch, I'm just saying I'd like to see them not get copies of what whm and blm already have, but to get completely new spells or abilities that give them their own brand new niche, not just the ability to fill a current niche...perhaps some more battle flow abilities or more time mage/geomancer qualities or something.

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