Concerns about SCH.

[Pebe]

You're right; having Cure V negates everything else a WHM brings to the table.

You must fall into category B?..

Its not that it negates everything whm brings to the table....
If you give away whm's greatest healing tool in this game, that keeps it above the other healers, to the most mp efficient mage in the game (sch), obviousely there will be some issues. Whm is the main healer of this game, hands down. Encroaching on this status without blances would be plain stupid. If my sch had cure V, I would use it alot over my whm now just for the efficiency, except for during certain fights (mostely where those lovely lovely barspells play a nice role).

Lets assume both whm and sch subbed rdm for access to convert, I personally sub sch on whm but this way comparison is easier.

Whm uniqueness: Why sch encroaches:
Auspice
Powerful barspells
Regen IV Boosted Regen III
Esuna AoE na spells
Raise III Raise II (difference irrelevant in this day and age)
Shellra V (merited) Shell V
Protectra V Protect V
Boost spells Stormsurge
Teleports
Sacrifice
Solace Cureskin(400 hp?) Rapture(+60%)/Stoneskinga?
Divine Seal Rapture x2 \o/
af3+2 pants Penury/Sublimation/Light Arts innate bonuses
Cure casting time merits Alacrity/Light Arts innate bonuses
Higher cure potency Rapture(+60%)/Aurastorm(+15% with twilight cape)
Devotion This is uncomparable (was thinking adloquim but meh), devotion is sexy!
Cure VI Inneficient and Rapture + Cure V will probably do more than this

So as shown, there is not much that whm gets, if sch got cure V without adjustments, that would put it over sch in terms of healing that would put whm far over sch.

[Sotek]

Just a quick question, but do you agree with Scholar getting Cure V with regular Enmity gain? Because the vast majority of people asking for Cure V have said that one way or another, or when you say "without adjustments" do you mean something else?

[Pofo]

The fact is that I'm sure SE sees the imbalance and one way or another rdm and sch can expect Cure V, whether anyone likes it or not. New topic, Manifestation and nukes! Consider Abyssea, esp for time farming where typically BLMs Aga III / Aja 10-20 mobs at a time for chests, I'd like to see SCH be able to AoE their nukes, I'd even accept a huge decrease in damage per target, like 1 target, obviously 100% dmg, and 4 targets would be 25% damage each, caps at 10% damage for 10+ targets. I'd just like the option. It would also be nice if they applied to yellow procs, Manifestation, Thunder III = Thundaga III proc.

And before anyone quotes with with "QQ SCH shouldn't be able to aga that's unrealistic!", take into consideration that our "precious" BLMs fall far below the chain vs. a BLU with the correct Atmas using Charged Whisker for 5000-6000 DMG per target.

I don't think that's an unrealistic request considering the pathetic damage downsides I posted above, this would help with the fact that SCH gets very limited proc options, and even less chances to contribute in time farms.

[Miera]

The fact is that I'm sure SE sees the imbalance and one way or another rdm and sch can expect Cure V, whether anyone likes it or not. New topic, Manifestation and nukes! Consider Abyssea, esp for time farming where typically BLMs Aga III / Aja 10-20 mobs at a time for chests, I'd like to see SCH be able to AoE their nukes, I'd even accept a huge decrease in damage per target, like 1 target, obviously 100% dmg, and 4 targets would be 25% damage each, caps at 10% damage for 10+ targets. I'd just like the option. It would also be nice if they applied to yellow procs, Manifestation, Thunder III = Thundaga III proc.

And before anyone quotes with with "QQ SCH shouldn't be able to aga that's unrealistic!", take into consideration that our "precious" BLMs fall far below the chain vs. a BLU with the correct Atmas using Charged Whisker for 5000-6000 DMG per target.

I don't think that's an unrealistic request considering the pathetic damage downsides I posted above, this would help with the fact that SCH gets very limited proc options, and even less chances to contribute in time farms.

I had always beleived if the SCH NPCs you have to fight through out the SCH missions can use Manifestation and a Elemental nuke then I think we should too. What gives? its not like we have access to Ancient Magic.

Also, I use Libra and the Enmity spells all the time. It Lets me know if I or anyone else is close to pulling too much hate, like the WHM, BLMs, and DD. Sadly, yes Libra is far too short range and you basically have to be on their butts to use and I hate that its party only instead of alliance.

Edit

Also on that weird Libra thing, I've seen that as well. I used it on a Member who had been charmed by a NM out in Tahrongi Canyon.

[Eldelphia]

The only thing they need to fix about SCH is the ability to proc something uniquely in Abyssea/Voidwatch and let us hit 96.

We may or may not get Cure V. I wouldn't be surprised if SE drop the fixed enm value for V and rely on tiesr of tranquil heart instead. Opening it up to RDM/SCH/PLD.

[Tezz]

The fact is that I'm sure SE sees the imbalance and one way or another rdm and sch can expect Cure V, whether anyone likes it or not. New topic, Manifestation and nukes! Consider Abyssea, esp for time farming where typically BLMs Aga III / Aja 10-20 mobs at a time for chests, I'd like to see SCH be able to AoE their nukes, I'd even accept a huge decrease in damage per target, like 1 target, obviously 100% dmg, and 4 targets would be 25% damage each, caps at 10% damage for 10+ targets. I'd just like the option. It would also be nice if they applied to yellow procs, Manifestation, Thunder III = Thundaga III proc.

And before anyone quotes with with "QQ SCH shouldn't be able to aga that's unrealistic!", take into consideration that our "precious" BLMs fall far below the chain vs. a BLU with the correct Atmas using Charged Whisker for 5000-6000 DMG per target.

I don't think that's an unrealistic request considering the pathetic damage downsides I posted above, this would help with the fact that SCH gets very limited proc options, and even less chances to contribute in time farms.

Also in regards to SCH & Procs, it would be neat if SE could somehow make our Storm spells equivalent to an Ancient Magic Proc when cast(so we could use either AM and/or Storms for yellow). This would also prompt more /SCH slightly more.

Although with your Manifestation + Tier 3 idea, these would allow SCH to also proc all yellow nukes. Not that it's a bad or overpowering thing. (Side note: lol @ DRK/SCH -ga procing).

Just a quick question, but do you agree with Scholar getting Cure V with regular Enmity gain? Because the vast majority of people asking for Cure V have said that one way or another, or when you say "without adjustments" do you mean something else?

I would be more in favor of a SCH unique Cure HOT spell. They could make the potency in between Cure 4 & 5, and add a short duration HOT for like 200HP/tick.

[Daremo]

Hmm, something like a Helix for healing, initial cure for ~200, and then repeats that 7~10 times at long interval tics. Interesting.

[Sotek]

No @ Manifestation nukes.

For Magic Stagger, no. I'm on the fence about the idea anyway, but having it equatable to -aga III is just plain wrong. Black Mage would only have Ancient Magic over Scholar then, and one series of spells is ignorable from a low man point of view. Okay maybe you'd bring a Blue Mage/Bard, but that's only a mule. Give Black Mage a similar situation and I'd do exactly the same with it. Just kidding, I probably already would.

As for Manifestation nukes for nuking. Your idea of balance is ridiculous. If my Blizzard V can match a Black Mages 11k damage, my Manifestation Blizzard V is going to cost 585MP and do 1,1k damage (-aga is near ignorable on small amounts of mobs imo) per mob, and I can't even match Black Mages top nuke. If I get given that next update I'd up and quit (like I've been playing for the last 3 months anyway).

Having it just for Magic Stagger just seems wrong. It would be a worthless addition to the job considering any new content would hopefully have a revised system, normally I wouldn't be against potentially worthless additions to the job, but slapping "SCH Lv. 8" on a scroll of Paralyze takes 10 seconds, balancing Manifestation to handle nukes does not.
Not sure why SE didn't put Helices on the Magic Staggering list to begin with, but they should (also have it cycle weakness. "Weak to Ice" should mean exactly that, not "Weak to Blizzard III"). It at least gives me an excuse to bring my Scholar. An excuse because this game requires nothing more than a White Mage and a Ninja, Black Mage and Blue Mage/Bard mules are required only for this fairly poor system. Yeah, I'd rather they do something about that than give me a worthless -aga clone just so Scholar can still be bested by a Black Mage who has Ancient Magic.

[Tezz]

Not sure why SE didn't put Helices on the Magic Staggering list to begin with

I meant Helix earlier, not "Storms". Was tired last night.

Yeah, I'd rather they do something about that than give me a worthless -aga clone just so Scholar can still be bested by a Black Mage who has Ancient Magic.

I would hate to be thought of as this, but at the very Least we would be thought of! (jk)

It really is time though that SE finds a better way of balancing Abyssea at this rate. Also 100 inventory CAN I HAVE IT. It's, literally, impossible for me to carry all the gear i want on SCH. Or allow us to macro from our Sack/Satchel.

[Rambus]

anyone ever seen something like this before?:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...s-blood-weapon

my libra is broken