Level 99 Relic, Mythic, Empyrean, and WoE Weapons

[Vae]

This dude Daisansha is absolutely clueless. There's no benefit to even replying to him. Just ignore and move on.

[Daisansha]

You mean all those fights you can pay to have other people brew for you?

Lots of skill there.

Please stop now before you embarrass yourself further.

This dude Daisansha is absolutely clueless. There's no benefit to even replying to him. Just ignore and move on.

Again, the two of you showing that you don't know what you are talking about. Seriously, actually do some research and apply logic before replying.

You can't brew aeonics. This has been known for over a month now.

And as for the "you can buy anything with gil" comment: it doesn't matter if you have 10 trillion gil.... since no one can beat the content, then it doesn't matter if you throw all that gil at someone, you're still not getting the aeonic.

You two are the ones that need to stop embarrassing yourselves.

[Angemon]

Actually Dai sounds like he knows what he is talking about. The two of you are embarrassing yourselves. Did you really compare kiting Kirin for 2 hours to having skill? I hope that is a joke....

[Shirai]

Your current argument is "noone knows how to beat it yet", yet being the key word here.
Give it time before the first people come with a sure way to beat the content, then others will follow and before long gil will buy you an Aeonic.

And as far as skill goes, please describe skill in a game where the core mechanic is gear and buff up to deal enough damage and kill the mob before it kills you or time runs out.
And no, doing damage is not skill, Patrick.

Oh, and neither do I count being fortunate enough to be in a good coordinated group as skill either.

[Daisansha]

Your current argument is "noone knows how to beat it yet", yet being the key word here.
Give it time before the first people come with a sure way to beat the content, then others will follow and before long gil will buy you an Aeonic.

And as far as skill goes, please describe skill in a game where the core mechanic is gear and buff up to deal enough damage and kill the mob before it kills you or time runs out.
And no, doing damage is not skill, Patrick.

Oh, and neither do I count being fortunate enough to be in a good coordinated group as skill either.

Yes, yet (or never, no one knows atm). Until such time that the conditions for buying an aeonic exist, that is a legitimate argument as to why one cannot buy an aeonic. It is ridiculous for someone to say you can buy an aeonic when it isn't even possible.

I said it requires great skill to make an aeonic, so here is the description of great skill: accomplishing something that only a very few (or no one in this case) can do out of the entire population of the game. After many, many attempts, the entire population of this game is unable to make them. That means it requires skill that no one has. Part of skill is doing the right things at the right moment. Also part of skill is figuring out the right things to do at the right moment. Since no one has the skill to make them, it is ridiculous for someone to say that making aeonics does not require great skill (or that it is easy like the other person said).

I take it from your post that you most likely have not attempted to complete an aeonic. Go try killing Zerde and some of the other latest NMs then come back and say it doesn't require skill.

[dasva]

Again, the two of you showing that you don't know what you are talking about. Seriously, actually do some research and apply logic before replying.

You can't brew aeonics. This has been known for over a month now.

Can you show where this is "known". The only thing I remember seeing about it about a month ago was a very vague jp help text on fighting them that literally just says "primeval brew bad. It's power is unstable. " with the English saying 0 about brews. Which could mean any number of things namely the fact that it doesn't last nearly long to even just the get hard stuff in reseinjima and you can easily still die or get doomed charmed etc during it (maybe even something super crazy like it wearing off at the start of a pop so you can only do 1 nm per brew). I haven't seen anything seen anything about anyone actually testing it or any clear message about not using brews.

I'd also kind wonder just what it would take for SE to successful make the game be able to recognize that the kill you got on a monster occurred with someone in the alliance having had the brew buff up at anytime during the fight. Without messing up a bunch of other stuff that is

Also completely unrelated but brewing wont be as easy as people remember. With the way brew works a player brewing right now wont be too terribly stronger than when we brewed in abyssea. All the huge stat vomit we've gotten since then means nothing. The all the new mab we have will somewhat matter but is somewhat overshadowed by just how much brew already gives. New ws bonus or adjustments or spell adjustments help but on the other hand no atmas etc. Not to mention the dmg caps really. Meanwhile the monsters you are going to want to use this on are much much stronger. So like in abyssea there wasn't much that a cor or rng couldn't 1-2 shot with wildfire... now even if you managed to hit 99,999 for random ws x and same for the skillchain it's still going to take you multiple skillchains and most these mobs have some pretty mean gimmicks that could still kill, hurt or at least slow you down

[Kincard]

please describe skill in a game where the core mechanic is gear and buff up to deal enough damage and kill the mob before it kills you or time runs out.
And no, doing damage is not skill, Patrick.

Oh, and neither do I count being fortunate enough to be in a good coordinated group as skill either.

"I don't consider needing to be grouped with skilled players as something requiring skill". Come on now. Coordination is a skill. You're technically correct that everything in the game can be bought, but you're not going to convince anyone by using what's essentially the XI equivalent of the one-thousand-monkeys-at-typewriters scenario.

Gearing characters properly and formulating/executing strategies is exactly what an RPG is about. The fact that people can look up a strategy doesn't mean it doesn't require skill, unless you think you can't be good at Checkers because it's a solved game.

[Angemon]

It's something people say to look cool, Kincard. This game does require skill, and people always say that in any game to make things look easier than they are. If that were the case people would be face rolling all the highest tier Escha fights, and they aren't so yeah.

[Daisansha]

Can you show where this is "known".

Sure. Here are the ones I found with a minimal search:

OF: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th....?daysprune=60

FFXIAH: http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/47...-aeonic-quest/ pretty much the whole page, but specifically the 5th post from the bottom by Essylt.

BGWiki: https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Category:Aeonic_Weapons

BG Forum: https://www.bluegartr.com/threads/12...-Thread/page16 post#301
https://www.bluegartr.com/threads/12...-Thread/page18 post#355


I'm sure there is probably more to be found (especially on the japanese forums), I just did a quick search.

[Shirai]

No, I stand by my point, nothing in this game requires skill.
In the end it's getting strong enough yourself while weakening the mob and dealing enough damage so that its HP hits 0 before your own HP and MP reach that point.
Or time runs out.

You can call teamwork a skill, if you want, but I don't. Though observation might be getting close.

And no, I haven't started making an Aeonic, I simply have no interest in such a weapon.

Looking at the jobs I really like(d) to play.
I have a pair of Spharai for my monk, for which I worked the greater part of a year making them.
I don't have to tell any of you what the state of those weapons is right now, or monk for that matter.

Summoner, my real pride and joy, has a Nirvana.
I've looked at the Aeonic weapon for it, nah.

As for other jobs, I simply don't have enough interest in any of them to even bother. Not even for the sense of accomplishment.

If that were the case people would be face rolling all the highest tier Escha fights, and they aren't so yeah.

I have lost track of the amount of times I have heard and read this.
Just give it time, be it a day, a week or maybe even a year. At one point people will be face rolling this content too. Be it because people figured out the mechanics, getting too overgeared for the content or SE nerfing the crap out of it.

In the end this content too will be face rolled.

And "look cool", really now? I am cool.