Level 99 Relic, Mythic, Empyrean, and WoE Weapons

[Vae]

Aeonic does not allow steady progress by means of gil.

There is NOTHING in FFXI that cannot be bought with gil.

[Malefactor]

Do these REM updates include shields(ochain/aegis)?

[Vashkoda]

I'm sorry, I should have been more clear. I was reflecting on the fact that SE have effectively revoked an existing, very significant choice that was fundamental to the nature of these special weapons. I don't think it's unreasonable for me to expect that a choice of that type would be taken forward in an upgrade path like this. After all, this isn't a case of making the weapons "even better" - it's actually returning them to their intended status as some of the best weapons in the entire game, which is a status they have lost.

"Do or do not make the weapon" is a bit of an oversimplification when we consider the motivation for this upgrade path being presented to us in the first place.

To be fair, many mythics/ergons are still useful even in their current state, as are emp and relic shields and instruments. That's not to say they can't be improved further, but it's really the non-shield/instrument relics and emps that are hurting the most right now. And as much as SE might want to cut them some slack and make the upgrade at about the same difficulty as the last few paths, what it ultimately comes down to is that they can't. Due to programming or personnel limitations, they can't (or won't) do separate paths for AG and not AG weapons any more. And so, because AG exists, everyone without one must now pay the consequences.

What I find unfair is that ergons have no AG to begin with, and still must be made to suffer through some ridiculous trial.

[Vae]

Guys, seriously, it's blatantly obvious what's going on here, come on. They're making it as annoying as humanly possible, to force you into having a goal for the foreseeable future.

By forcing you into an afterglow path it more or less ensures that you'll spend thousands more hours on the trials. None of you will quit, you'll never quit. You'll piss and moan and do the trials, then ask for more punishment.

[Daisansha]

Guys, seriously, it's blatantly obvious what's going on here, come on. They're making it as annoying as humanly possible, to force you into having a goal for the foreseeable future.

By forcing you into an afterglow path it more or less ensures that you'll spend thousands more hours on the trials. None of you will quit, you'll never quit. You'll piss and moan and do the trials, then ask for more punishment.

No, what is obvious is that SE is making two types of ultimate weapons (SE specifically said they were making upgraded REMs comparable to Aeonics). They are making so there are two paths to obtain ultimate weapons. One path is for the greatly skilled (aeonics); the other path is for the greatly perseverant (REMs). This is a fairly common theme in anime btw: skill vs effort, and so I'm not too shocked to see it here. Make your choice: skill, effort, both, or neither. Anyone can choose to do 3/4 of those paths, the only one that can't be done by everyone is the skill path. Either you got it, or you don't. Inb4 someone says they are entitled to the skill path even though they lack skill.

[machini]

Oh god. Are you serious? Are you really serious? Are you saying Aeonics are for the "greatly skilled"? Are you truthfully saying that?

I'm sorry. Previously I thought you merely didn't understand the viewpoint that myself and others were trying to make. Now I know you're incapable of understanding it at all.

There is absolutely no more skill involved in getting an Aeonic than in getting a Relic, Empyrean, or Mythic.

[Vae]

No, what is obvious is that SE is making two types of ultimate weapons (SE specifically said they were making upgraded REMs comparable to Aeonics). They are making so there are two paths to obtain ultimate weapons. One path is for the greatly skilled (aeonics); the other path is for the greatly perseverant (REMs). This is a fairly common theme in anime btw: skill vs effort, and so I'm not too shocked to see it here. Make your choice: skill, effort, both, or neither. Anyone can choose to do 3/4 of those paths, the only one that can't be done by everyone is the skill path. Either you got it, or you don't. Inb4 someone says they are entitled to the skill path even though they lack skill.

Nothing in FFXI requires skill. Everything is Gil driven, and time based. There's nothing that cannot be obtained, while blindfolded, playing with your feet only. Provided you have the patience to earn gil.

(there USED to be some things that required a BIT of skill. Kiting Kirin for an hour without dying. Procing abyssea between tp moves/magics. that is the extent of "skill" within this game.)

FFXI consists of hitting 2-3 buttons, in a pattern, a monkey can do it. The only thing that exists is "the grind" and how hard you are on it.

[Daisansha]

Oh god. Are you serious? Are you really serious? Are you saying Aeonics are for the "greatly skilled"? Are you truthfully saying that?

I'm sorry. Previously I thought you merely didn't understand the viewpoint that myself and others were trying to make. Now I know you're incapable of understanding it at all.

There is absolutely no more skill involved in getting an Aeonic than in getting a Relic, Empyrean, or Mythic.

lololololololool. Ho, ho, I'm laughing so hard. Tell me, have you beaten Zerde? No? Has anyone? No? Didn't think so. Some of the other fights are incredibly difficult as well. Come back when you actually know what you are talking about.

[Daisansha]

Nothing in FFXI requires skill. Everything is Gil driven, and time based. There's nothing that cannot be obtained, while blindfolded, playing with your feet only. Provided you have the patience to earn gil.

(there USED to be some things that required a BIT of skill. Kiting Kirin for an hour without dying. Procing abyssea between tp moves/magics. that is the extent of "skill" within this game.)

FFXI consists of hitting 2-3 buttons, in a pattern, a monkey can do it. The only thing that exists is "the grind" and how hard you are on it.

You, also, don't know what you are talking about. Actually learn what it takes to get an aeonic before coming back.

[machini]

You, also, don't know what you are talking about. Actually learn what it takes to get an aeonic before coming back.

You mean all those fights you can pay to have other people brew for you?

Lots of skill there.

Please stop now before you embarrass yourself further.