Classic server, what's the argument against it now?

[Prrsha]

Unless you've been to SE HQ and have access to their repository, you can't tell me with a straight face that you know they keep every old version of the game data. If you went and told me someone at SE has a USB drive of FFXI 1.0 from 13 years ago both client and server in their back pocket, I'd say you're most likely wrong. It would take a team of engineers and it would take time to literally turn back the clock to X time in the past. And why do I say this? The game software has, most likely, undergone at least thousands and probably tens of thousands of builds. The amount of storage necessary to keep all those builds for 13+ years is incredibly huge; and while storage is cheaper than ever, the game was started 13 years ago and it's extremely unlikely they planned for this. At most, they probably keep 2-3 years worth of builds, because they might need them to revert a code change that caused a bug or similar.

Explain how the private servers exist then in a retro state... even with no FoV or GoV books? Eh?

Also the most popular retro server has 100 members ONLINE. Those are not subs... subs are higher. I was low balling it at 300.

You seem to know nothing about them or have never spoken to a person who has been on one of late. I'd invite you to my facebook ring but you'd just troll.

I have never used a private server but once SE tosses FFXI down the gutter and shuts down theirs... I may just join one to have fun with my old friends. Call me old fashioned but I still abide by the ToS and never have even used a Windower back in the day lol, so joining one atm seems wrong. I wish SE gave me the option of such a server however. If they did, I'd probably stay around after they stopped content.

After the phone OS goes live, I plan to quit FFXI and not return until a classic or private servers are legal. Prrsha RIP 2004-2012. I must have given SE about $1,000 dollars over the years between my wife and I.

[machini]

Explain how the private servers exist then in a retro state... even with no FoV or GoV books? Eh?

Also the most popular retro server has 100 members ONLINE. Those are not subs... subs are higher. I was low balling it at 300.

You seem to know nothing about them or have never spoken to a person who has been on one of late. I'd invite you to my facebook ring but you'd just troll.

I have never used a private server but once SE tosses FFXI down the gutter and shuts down theirs... I may just join one to have fun with my old friends. Call me old fashioned but I still abide by the ToS and never have even used a Windower back in the day lol, so joining one atm seems wrong. I wish SE gave me the option of such a server however. If they did, I'd probably stay around after they stopped content.

After the phone OS goes live, I plan to quit FFXI and not return until a classic or private servers are legal. Prrsha RIP 2004-2012. I must have given SE about $1,000 dollars over the years between my wife and I.

You need to stop. You obviously have no first-hand experience with the private servers you're talking about. They are incomplete, do not have proper loot or spawn tables, half the JAs do absolutely nothing, and a great deal of other stuff is wrong with them. They are not anything approaching playable. They also do not incorporate any of the live server source code.

[madmartin]

You need to stop. You obviously have no first-hand experience with the private servers you're talking about. They are incomplete, do not have proper loot or spawn tables, half the JAs do absolutely nothing, and a great deal of other stuff is wrong with them. They are not anything approaching playable. They also do not incorporate any of the live server source code.

this is the biggrest load of rubbish i've read on this thread so far....

Any alteration of the server that would involve data that would be visible to the client, such as weapon/equipment statistics, item descriptions, returning widescan to its old functionality, or seasonal adding and removal of NPCs would require changes to the client data.

The client-server model that FFXI uses places an extreme amount of trust in the client. A good deal of calculation and decision is not done server side. This means that making changes to the server will require changes to the client, which means server development requires the capability to do client development.

This is also rubbish, except maybe the item stats and descriptions bit.

Funny. I see about half a dozen people supporting the idea and insisting that their half dozen extrapolates to the 2,000 or so a classic server would need.

Both pro and con sides are arguing an opinion here. Difference is that the the "con" people are honest enough to admit it.

Classic ffxi survives perfectly well with 100 players consecutively, as long as lvl sync is enabled...