Classic server, what's the argument against it now?

[Prrsha]

Yeah, I read those too.
But that's not an argument proving a classic server will profit SE.

Still waiting for your argument as to why you think a classic server would make SE enough money to build one and keep it running.
Because I am of a firm believe that it won't.

No one will convince you because no one can. Nor can you dispute its potential success. All you can look at are other examples of MMORPGs and even that =/= FFXI.

[Shirai]

I am dictating nothing, I am merely answering the question what the main argument against such a classic server is, which, like any corporate decission, is money.

And it's clear a lot of you have no idea how large corporations think.

[Hellkat]

lol people think they are CEOs. It is like an endless record playing. Haven't others told you what you think is an only an opinion? Prove to me you have a business degree major.

[Shirai]

You can say that for both sides, let's just agree that we disagree and neither side is going to give in because there is no right in this debate, nor is there any wrong for that matter.
Although I am sure some people would love to debate that last statement of mine.

And no, I don't have a business major, but I am an IT employee of a major corporation however so I do have a little insight on what machinery and the people maintaining it cost on a yearly basis.

[Prrsha]

Sigh... it seems no one listens. Money is not the issue here. If SE wanted to remake FFXI on a whim and lose money like they did in FFXIV (in the beginning) they could do so. Every action isn't always money related. Some is about company loyalty. Just because YOU can't see the reasoning in something, doesn't mean another person, or company... may see a potential opportunity where you see none.

Me thinks you underestimate how many people left due to the major changes FFXI underwent. I can speak for FACT and I would post facebook comments (with permission only) that the MAJORITY of my LS left DUE to abyssea after a few months. They tried coming back but all saw it too different for their taste now. My LS members numbered around 100+ between the two. MithraPride was huge. Emerald Arcanum was large as well but never reached 100.

Yes, as strange as it seems we just about all keep in contact (some often, some seldom) via facebook. I kept a list on paper back in the day of everyone's e-mail and account name, so it was easy to round up a facebook ring. We were all good friends who played for many years. I posted the above stats about my LS and such. Heck... I should just try to contact as many as I can in the small amount of time that is left during the free trial... have them post so you will shut up about "handfuls" of people. It would put the matter to rest that many vets still wish to play FFXI but will not due to the changes. Hence the idea for a server. Blech...

[Alhanelem]

Since when you do have the authority to declare a topic dead? Are you a moderator, no.

The point still stands true as there are people who wish SE to consider a classic server. As long as there is, no... the topic is not dead. If anything, it will resurface again and again (like it already has). However now FFXI is not offering anymore new content, this bears repeating.

There are also people who don't wish them to, but don't even need to as we know they won't. The only thing the proponents of this are going to get is the mobile game.

Nor can you dispute its potential success.

Or its potential failiure. I'm not saying it couldn't work at all, but all the supporters here are overstating its prospects based on not a lot of actual information.

Sigh... it seems no one listens. Money is not the issue here. If SE wanted to remake FFXI on a whim and lose money like they did in FFXIV (in the beginning) they could do so. Every action isn't always money related.

It indirectly was about the money for FFXIV. They saw the original version as having potentially irrepreably damaging the final fantasy brand, and they felt like they had to fix it so their flagship franchise would keep bringing in the goods. Of course, the result was very successful and a win for pretty much everyone involved. The players got a better game and SE got more money.

[Prrsha]

There are also people who don't wish them to, but don't even need to as we know they won't. The only thing the proponents of this are going to get is the mobile game.

Why are you against the idea? Players have a choice. This is getting redundant as you never seem to get that part. Plus no offence but from past encounters I have seen in threads with you involved, you bash every idea you don't agree with like you are preaching against the Devil itself.

Plus like I said there is interest in this, I should just copy and paste this sentence to every response.

Also comparing the mobile game to FFXI is like comparing apples and oranges. They ARE not the same game, not even close.

[Zarchery]

lol they most likely moved to private servers. All I see is one hand full of people rejecting the idea.

Funny. I see about half a dozen people supporting the idea and insisting that their half dozen extrapolates to the 2,000 or so a classic server would need.

Both pro and con sides are arguing an opinion here. Difference is that the the "con" people are honest enough to admit it.

[Zarchery]

In no way is it ANYONE's business to really debate how successful money wise this endeavor would be. That is SE's job. Not the forums. This is a simple post, for a legacy server that clearly people want.

Yet here we are. You're free to leave this thread and stop debating any time you want. It takes two to tango, as the saying goes.

If SE wants to take a shot at it and bring back some new players, what harm is there in doing so?

No harm to the players. I have seen almost nobody claim this. Stop making this strawman. I think the closest we got was Anahalem's (sorry I can't remember how to spell his name) assertion that it would divide the playerbase, but he was the only one saying that.

It'd be great harm to SquareEnix to invest time and money into a product with little demand. Like Pepsi bringing back Pepsi Kona. Yeah I liked, some other people liked it, but it was a terrible flop. Given your ideas of how business works, I should probably extrapolate that to several million and conclude that a return of Pepsi Kona is a no-brainer good idea.

[madmartin]

You need to stop. You obviously have no first-hand experience with the private servers you're talking about. They are incomplete, do not have proper loot or spawn tables, half the JAs do absolutely nothing, and a great deal of other stuff is wrong with them. They are not anything approaching playable. They also do not incorporate any of the live server source code.

this is the biggrest load of rubbish i've read on this thread so far....

Any alteration of the server that would involve data that would be visible to the client, such as weapon/equipment statistics, item descriptions, returning widescan to its old functionality, or seasonal adding and removal of NPCs would require changes to the client data.

The client-server model that FFXI uses places an extreme amount of trust in the client. A good deal of calculation and decision is not done server side. This means that making changes to the server will require changes to the client, which means server development requires the capability to do client development.

This is also rubbish, except maybe the item stats and descriptions bit.

Funny. I see about half a dozen people supporting the idea and insisting that their half dozen extrapolates to the 2,000 or so a classic server would need.

Both pro and con sides are arguing an opinion here. Difference is that the the "con" people are honest enough to admit it.

Classic ffxi survives perfectly well with 100 players consecutively, as long as lvl sync is enabled...