Job Adjustments in March 2015 Update

[Crevox]

It wasn't directly said, but was definitely implied. The quote has been used not just several times in this thread but other threads.

Still looking for a source, and "implied" means nothing because everyone keeps saying that SE "promises this" and "promises that" when they've literally never "promised" anything.

I don't remember the last time someone even asked to come pup instead of monk. There's probably a reason for that.

Because not many people play PUP?

You are grossly exaggerating both the desirability of DNC in a party situation

This is, again, a fault of the community. The support DNC provides is very useful, with steps being very potent, etc. Simply because the community cannot properly gauge this (it is not as obvious as bard songs) and debuffs are a lot harder to "feel" does not mean they are not effective.

There's not a single event where people will turn you down if you aren't on THF or DNC right now.

Ever heard of Wopket? The big tree with like 90% pierce resist that THF and DNC can't touch? Yeah, that guy. Yorcia delve is a no no for these jobs, and no pug dares touch Marjami with melee jobs.

Can we please stop with the "I'm right you are wrong" comments you keep using like you are the only one in these forums that actually does end game.

I mean, if I'm wrong, feel free to say so, but I don't think I've said anything that was false, besides the possible subjective things (rudra's being too strong). I'm correcting misinformation.

Either way, like I said, I'm going to stop posting so others can share their opinion, as I've already stated mine (Rudras is getting nerfed AWESOMEAWESOMEAWESOME). Just don't be surprised if I reply when someone posts something at me.

[FrankReynolds]

Because not many people play PUP?

...and why do you suppose that is?

This is, again, a fault of the community. The support DNC provides is very useful, with steps being very potent, etc. Simply because the community cannot properly gauge this (it is not as obvious as bard songs) and debuffs are a lot harder to "feel" does not mean they are not effective.

They aren't effective though. The situations where they aren't beaten by another jobs debuffs or outright damage are rare enough to make it more sensible to just bring another job. It takes a fair amount of time to apply those steps and they come at the cost of delay and lowering the DNCs damage output not to mention that most things die before you see any significant benefit. Sambas are almost never needed in party content where you will have capped haste from spells and songs anyways and curing means not using saber dance, which is a huge hit to damgage. It's been thoroughly explained on these forums. Go look it up.

I mean, if I'm wrong, feel free to say so.

You are. Smarter people than you and me have mathed this out. THF and DNC damage potential is not far ahead if at all. Nerfing them will do nothing for anyone. DRK, BST, WAR etc. will still have the same deficiencies. They won't go away just because thief sucks again.