Job Adjustments in March 2015 Update

[Rubeus]

source is top of page 6, crevox. Also, you've made your opinion clear that you're in disagreement. Can we keep the thread going with more voices and their opinion as well?

[Crevox]

source is top of page 6, crevox. Also, you've made your opinion clear that you're in disagreement. Can we keep the thread going with more voices and their opinion as well?

I have my pages set higher, and I was asking for a source where SE said they were buffing 2 handed jobs.

As for your other comment, yeah sure, sorry. I just don't like all these false statements by people who have no real experience to even understand what they're saying, saying things like stun locking out all delve bosses, Slow is useless because of Elegy, etc.

You don't have to, I'll be happy to school you on the art, seeing how you and I share the same main job. Seeing how Delve seems to be the topic that keeps popping up. I'll use that as the example. People have this tendency to sack pull all the mobs near the mega boss. But a SMN can purge Enmity of all those aggroed mobs with a well place AoE Bloodpact. As long as they are touched by something else I.E.: A Bard's Horde Lullaby. Then all the enmity is then placed on to the Avatar and a simple drag and release will mean less fighting hassle for the party. You're welcome.

This is actually the wrong way to do it, but this is useless anyways. Even in something like Yorcia Weald delve, pulling a boss away from the rest of the trash near it is difficult (hard to get close to the boss) and often pointless. You either assault your pet onto the boss (you have to be within a certain range of the boss and NOT the trash) or you assault a trash mob, the boss links, and then you release your pet. Even if you do that, that trash mob you assaulted is STILL going to come with the boss; you're just going to avoid pulling the rest, so ultimately, you still get ONE unless you managed to get in range of the boss (while risking face pulling).

For Yorcia, you have to kill the trash anyways because it's in the way between you and the next boss, so pulling the boss away from it is useless (you could've just slept them). You could do it so you don't HAVE to sleep them, and I do, but again, this is not really all that useful, cause you're going to kill them anyways. When it comes to the mega boss, you need to be in range of the boss to even do this, which means walking THROUGH the trash to get to it, or sicking your pet on the trash to get to the boss, but whenever your pet "Assaults" something, once it dies or is released, the mobs will aggro on you afterward.

In the end, the most optimal thing you get out of doing this is avoiding killing a couple trash mobs. The reason I said "I'm not going to touch this" is because this strategy is so very situational on the placement of the mobs and is such a minor gain that it's not even worth mentioning, let alone as a "plus" for the job.

[PlumbGame]

I have my pages set higher, and I was asking for a source where SE said they were buffing 2 handed jobs.

It wasn't directly said, but was definitely implied. The quote has been used not just several times in this thread but other threads.

Can we please stop with the "I'm right you are wrong" comments you keep using like you are the only one in these forums that actually does end game.

[Crevox]

It wasn't directly said, but was definitely implied. The quote has been used not just several times in this thread but other threads.

Still looking for a source, and "implied" means nothing because everyone keeps saying that SE "promises this" and "promises that" when they've literally never "promised" anything.

I don't remember the last time someone even asked to come pup instead of monk. There's probably a reason for that.

Because not many people play PUP?

You are grossly exaggerating both the desirability of DNC in a party situation

This is, again, a fault of the community. The support DNC provides is very useful, with steps being very potent, etc. Simply because the community cannot properly gauge this (it is not as obvious as bard songs) and debuffs are a lot harder to "feel" does not mean they are not effective.

There's not a single event where people will turn you down if you aren't on THF or DNC right now.

Ever heard of Wopket? The big tree with like 90% pierce resist that THF and DNC can't touch? Yeah, that guy. Yorcia delve is a no no for these jobs, and no pug dares touch Marjami with melee jobs.

Can we please stop with the "I'm right you are wrong" comments you keep using like you are the only one in these forums that actually does end game.

I mean, if I'm wrong, feel free to say so, but I don't think I've said anything that was false, besides the possible subjective things (rudra's being too strong). I'm correcting misinformation.

Either way, like I said, I'm going to stop posting so others can share their opinion, as I've already stated mine (Rudras is getting nerfed AWESOMEAWESOMEAWESOME). Just don't be surprised if I reply when someone posts something at me.

[FrankReynolds]

Because not many people play PUP?

...and why do you suppose that is?

This is, again, a fault of the community. The support DNC provides is very useful, with steps being very potent, etc. Simply because the community cannot properly gauge this (it is not as obvious as bard songs) and debuffs are a lot harder to "feel" does not mean they are not effective.

They aren't effective though. The situations where they aren't beaten by another jobs debuffs or outright damage are rare enough to make it more sensible to just bring another job. It takes a fair amount of time to apply those steps and they come at the cost of delay and lowering the DNCs damage output not to mention that most things die before you see any significant benefit. Sambas are almost never needed in party content where you will have capped haste from spells and songs anyways and curing means not using saber dance, which is a huge hit to damgage. It's been thoroughly explained on these forums. Go look it up.

I mean, if I'm wrong, feel free to say so.

You are. Smarter people than you and me have mathed this out. THF and DNC damage potential is not far ahead if at all. Nerfing them will do nothing for anyone. DRK, BST, WAR etc. will still have the same deficiencies. They won't go away just because thief sucks again.

[PlumbGame]

Take whatever you want however you want. I'm just stating its been quoted several times. Spend 5 seconds and use the search feature.

I should also make claims that you are making false statements with no experience or you wouldn't say rudras is overpowered and that no other jobs compete type comments. It seems your experience is wanted?

[Crevox]

You are. Smarter people than you and me have mathed this out. THF and DNC damage potential is not far ahead if at all. Nerfing them will do nothing for anyone. DRK, BST, WAR etc. will still have the same deficiencies. They won't go away just because thief sucks again.

Can you provide a link to this? You've mentioned it a lot, I'd like to finally see it. I think this thread is most relevant for it, anyways.

...and why do you suppose that is?

Due to false interpretations of job balance, community hating on a job, and difficulty of the job? Yes, it was weaker, but it just got buffed quite a bit, and more soon.

[Rubeus]

as regards the 2-handed update (in addition to the other update that boosted 1-handed weapon accuracy to 99% and normalized TP): Originally Posted by Camate:
As the one-handed weapon adjustments just took place very recently, we would like to monitor the balance between them and two-handed weapons for a while before we look into two-handed weapon adjustments.

Furthermore, as mentioned during Freshly Picked Vana’diel 14, the team would first like to prioritize pet and elemental magic adjustments."

BGwiki's rudra's storm entries provide a nice ftp breakdown and testings, but as far as DD parsing goes, I'll have to look that up some other time. I can tell you from experience in delve with my LS that BST can easily outperform THF by using cloudsplitter and chaining with their pets. But as far as non-anecdotal evidence, I'll have to figure out what keywords that falls under.

[machini]

Oh, and I'd like to also add that DNC isn't actually in demand on my server. People go for THF. Even with Rudra's being "OP", very few people actually want anything but THF.

The problem is the userbase's inability to understand anything with complexity, anything that's not fudofudofudofudo or MNK MNK MNK.

[dasva]

You're right, and by your logic, they might not even nerf Rudra's. They are "considering" those dagger changes just like they are "considering" SAM changes.



Source? Also, they did buff 2 handed weapons, considering the huge damage augments they get from skirmish.

Um no you are missing the point entirely. There is a world of difference between saying you are going to do xyz and we are considering possibly making doing something. If you can't discern the difference between a definite we are doing this and a we are thinking about doing something I don't know what to tell you.

And source? It was quoted the page before you quoted me or just do a dev note search. And everyone got huge dmg augments from skirmish.