1 million subscribers

[Bluestar2kx]

The 2.5m number was never correct because it was never subscribers, that's why they removed it and why they gave the numbers they did last week.

The numbers are from last March because those are the numbers Square CEO chose to give, so I presume they are lower now (even if marginally lower) or they simply would not of used them.

I can't believe those are accurate.
The fiscal year being quoted was dated march 31st 2014, this is not march, nor 2014, so those numbers are useless. Their next fiscal year report is listed to be after march of 2015.

So nothing you've listed or Pc gamer (why their linking to an almost year old report in 2015 is beyond me), is new, or even accurate almost a year later. Until march we likely won't have accurate numbers of current subscriptions to SE mmos and their operating costs and profit margins.

Pc gamer likely just did it for click bait because everyone's mad at SE for not remaking FFVII and instead doing some weird re-release of a re-release.

[Alhanelem]

aye, its nearly time for the next fiscal report to come out, so why PC Gamer or anyone here wants to have debates about old numbers is beyond me.

[Pixela]

aye, its nearly time for the next fiscal report to come out, so why PC Gamer or anyone here wants to have debates about old numbers is beyond me.

They are using the numbers Square used last week, not the medias fault Square decided for whatever reason to use those numbers is it?

If things have changed so much why would they use them?

[Bluestar2kx]

They are using the numbers Square used last week, not the medias fault Square decided for whatever reason to use those numbers is it?

If things have changed so much why would they use them?

Where is this statement that this is even current information somehow magically released just now?
And the reason why they might use this to any degree is because 2015's report is not out yet, what are they suppose to do? Pull numbers out of their butt and call it fact without having all of them? No, they'll reference last years report on anything that isn't complete yet for 2015's report, which again, is coming in a few months.

I've also seen nothing recent to counter SE's claim of 2.5m FFXIV subscriptions. Esp since their worlds are heavily populated, and they have well over 20 servers active.

So yes, it is the media's fault for reporting on this like it happened yesterday, when it's clearly marked that this is almost year old information. The media is trying to make hype out of dated information and presenting it as "just released", when it's not, and from the thread, so are you, unless you can back it up in some other fashion then irrelevant internet sites. I'm sure me and others reading this thread want a link to a statement by SE themselves, not old info reposted to gaming sites.

[Malithar]

So yes, it is the media's fault for reporting on this like it happened yesterday, when it's clearly marked that this is almost year old information. The media is trying to make hype out of dated information and presenting it as "just released", when it's not, and from the thread, so are you, unless you can back it up in some other fashion then irrelevant internet sites. I'm sure me and others reading this thread want a link to a statement by SE themselves, not old info reposted to gaming sites.

You're really being a blind fan boy you know? It's like the words "Square Enix released this information less than a week ago themselves" is beyond your comprehension. Whether the information is accurate as of this moment or not is really of no relevance, because that's the info they used, again, less than a week ago. They reported it to the media. They sat down and said "this is what we got, this is our plans" etc. None of this was drummed up, false reporting, etc.

As far as "pulling numbers out of their butt" maybe the company I work for is just ages ahead in this digital age we live in, but I can pull up the balances, credits, debits, time that accounts have been opened, pending orders, processed orders, etc, all while ordering and sorting them in many numbers of ways for over 50,000 accounts within seconds. I'd expect that if an international company wanted to give accurate up to the minute numbers, they would. Obviously, for one reason or another, they didn't. Wouldn't hurt if you understood the difference between "accounts" and "active subscribers" as well, vastly different numbers.

[Bluestar2kx]

*shrugs*
As if I care.
But whatever. We'll find out in 3 months who is really right and who is really wrong.

Arguing semantics here with this information is pointless.

p.s. Yes i know the difference. FFXI has 3m+ accounts. But only about 120k subs. Simple yeah? But readily available information doesn't dispute my point of FFXIV, could always login to XIV and prove me wrong.

[Alhanelem]

They are using the numbers Square used last week, not the medias fault Square decided for whatever reason to use those numbers is it?

If things have changed so much why would they use them?

Changed or not it doesnt make much sense to use them when they are probably already in the midst of preparing their next financial report. Though it's worth noting, one of the articles linked above has them stating "over 1 million subscribers" rather than the "nearly 1 million subscribers" which suggests either they're using data from some later point in time, twisting the numbers, or misstated the original numbers.

Oh, and I'll give you one guess which game is responsible (or most responsible) for the increase from "nearly" to "over" one million.

You're really being a blind fan boy you know? It's like the words "Square Enix released this information less than a week ago themselves" is beyond your comprehension.

A more accurate way of stating this is "Square Enix commented on / discussed information that was previously released nearly a year ago less than a week ago themselves." They threw a number around, but that number was based on data from long before that. Again, why they would comment on old data when new data is due to be released in the next few months is beyond me.

[Pixela]

As of right now the official word is that all 3 games have 1 million subs combined (which is very generous given the company is using old figures), they would not of used old numbers when trying to speak to share holders if they had ballooned since then.

Simply put, when a CEO of a company uses 1 year old figures when they can easily use numbers that are available to him now that are more recent there is a reason.

As I stated in the OP, I would think XIV has around 550k Dragon quest has around 300k and FFXI probably has around 100 to 150k. I highly doubt those numbers have changed much, or at least not in a positive direction. No CEO would of used old numbers if they were worse than what they have right now, and don't say a CEO of a company can't get upto date figures until March that is silly. Also if the figures in march turn out to be a lot less you can expect them to be very vague so don't hold your breath.

Either way it's nice to see thta XIV isn't the juggernaut XIV players suggest it is and that it's just another MMO in their arsenal. FFXI is as relevent and important to Square as it always was, which proves it will be heavily supported for many, many years to come.

[PlumbGame]

As of right now the official word is that all 3 games have OVER 1 million subs combined

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[Seillan]

FFXI is as relevent and important to Square as it always was, which proves it will be heavily supported for many, many years to come.

Let's hope they can allocate some of that support to their broken billing department.