Two-Handed WS Update?

[Ulth]

It's not that I'm worry about they're not buffing WAR and DRK, it's about the relative balance.

Even if they increase WAR and DRK's dmg to MNK lv, it's still not enough. They need to be stronger than THF BLU DNC to deserve a DD spot.

And if they buff WAR DRK stronger than THF BLU DNC, that means current endgame content gets even less challenging(interesting).

Unless ilv goes up by another 50, it seems like a wrong direction to make every content THAT easy.

You can argue that incursion 143 is still hard, but it also doesn't give any meaningful reward since lower lv incursion still drops same loot.

SE should have just nerf fudo/SC dmg/rudra IMO.

Why should they be stronger? Do you think feint and conspirator are more beneficial than warcry, blood rage, and tomahawk? Maybe that Provoke is inferior to Accomplice and Collaborator. All jobs have something more to them than just dealing damage, but thf, blu, dnc, war, and drk are all damage dealers.

[Snprphnx]

Considering the 2-Hand update that buffed the crap out of Acc, atk, and WSs occured a LONG time before they did the same for 1-Hands, can we please stop crying over this and let a different job besides SAM win a parse?

[Atomic_Skull]

People need to realize that except for Rudras daggers suck for damage otherwise. They need that damage spike to be competitive with other DD's because their white damage is terrible.

[dasva]

And it's not really that great unstacked

[Atomic_Skull]

And it's not really that great unstacked

The only way to "fix" Rudras the way the 2H crybabies want without screwing over every other job that can use it would be to remove the DEX and AGI bonus from Sneak Attack and Trick Attack (which would also require a complete overhaul of merit and job points) or just take Rudras away from THF.

Only a very skilled, very well equipped THF that has total party cooperation can outparse SAM, and only an average to terrible SAM at that. SAM can just faceroll on the keyboard in AH gear and still win most parses. THF is a highly technical job that has to jump through flaming hoops to put out that kind of damage.

I think the real problem is two handers hate that the joke job of FFXI is now putting up bigger numbers than them even if their overall damage is the same or less.

[Byrth]

No, the DEX and AGI bonus contribute a trivial amount of damage to Rudra's as it is currently. You're free to do the math, but I doubt it would be over 5% of the total damage. Their main benefit is to force a critical hit.

[Atomic_Skull]

No, the DEX and AGI bonus contribute a trivial amount of damage to Rudra's as it is currently. You're free to do the math, but I doubt it would be over 5% of the total damage. Their main benefit is to force a critical hit.

If that is true then DNC/THF is actually better than THF because they have Sneak Attack and Trick Attack in addition to Climactic Flourish.

[Byrth]

Trick Attack doesn't force a crit until THF gains the Assassin trait (level 60) and /THF also doesn't give access to Bully so SA is much less viable.

We can perhaps revisit this epeen contest after Charis Tiara +4 comes out, but for the moment THF is the better skillchain closer (at least with Vajra).

[dasva]

Now if they put the dex/agi bonus onto base dmg like a wsc it would be rather interesting... or they could but the dex/agi bonus into /thf which iirc it was back before NA release. Wont change much but would be funny too see people /thf again lol.

[Ulth]

Now if they put the dex/agi bonus onto base dmg like a wsc it would be rather interesting... or they could but the dex/agi bonus into /thf which iirc it was back before NA release. Wont change much but would be funny too see people /thf again lol.

It would be nice if they did something like that to make the added damage more relevant. Especially since that is two of thf's job point categories. 10/10 job points in it would only give you something like 50 extra damage, which isn't very much in the grand scheme of things. It also makes it pretty pointless to gear for agi when using trick attack. You need something like 10 agi to be worth 1 point of dex at 2000tp.

If they had did something like that they wouldn't have needed to boost rudra's ftp so high in the first place, but they still would have needed to change one of the other ws so there would be a good unstacked dagger ws. However none of this even matters any more, hindsight 20/20 yadda yadda.