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  1. #91
    Player Jar's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raelia View Post
    The 2-4 variant of Maleficence has some interesting uses, chief among them some mild zerging capacity (still worthwhile despite some mobs being resistant, that just stops you from having twelve DRKs on it). You can also put on Cosmos, Kirin, and a MAB atma and be swinging a 90 damage Endark and 1.5k Infernal Scythes like a madman. It's honestly a bit too fast and quickly runs afoul of WS saturation slowing it down, but it chews up Elementals like nothing else.

    Also, Shinryu is dark resistant, so don't bother brewing him with Infernal Scythe. For most others it's good but you'll want Cosmos and Griffon's Claw as MAB gets capped anyway.
    yeah i'll agree that using MAB stuff and the 2-4 hit scythe is really fun should beable to get 2~K out of it but overall not as strong as normal DDing
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  2. #92
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    Actually it crushes all but Empyrean/WoE and heavy Crit WS jobs unless you're pushing serious haste and WS saturation becomes a problem. You might be underestimating how stupidly fast it is when the scythe averages two hits a round and you only need four hits to WS (5-hitting).

    1.5k was with Cosmos/Kirin/Ultimate and no Ascetic's. Will hit 2k with Ascetic's Gambir.

    Also throws a good 900 damage Nether Void Drain II.

    For pickup groups, KI/feet farming, and cocking about in low-buff situations: It's perfect.
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  3. #93
    Player Jar's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raelia View Post
    Actually it crushes all but Empyrean/WoE and heavy Crit WS jobs unless you're pushing serious haste and WS saturation becomes a problem. You might be underestimating how stupidly fast it is when the scythe averages two hits a round and you only need four hits to WS (5-hitting).

    1.5k was with Cosmos/Kirin/Ultimate and no Ascetic's. Will hit 2k with Ascetic's Gambir.

    Also throws a good 900 damage Nether Void Drain II.

    For pickup groups, KI/feet farming, and cocking about in low-buff situations: It's perfect.

    Id still vote thats nothing i arg 1.9K with~4K+triple attacks on guillotine and melee for 390~700crit+

    you might think your doing crazy damage but JUST weaponskill damage is all your doing no RR means your melee will be smalls :x and really low base damage will cut it even more
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  4. #94
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    I already said it wouldn't hold up to Empyrean and heavy Crit jobs.

    You also skipped Endark pushing the per-hit damage over 250 or so, so 500+ damage a round isn't too shabby.

    WSing so often slows it down though, so it's strictly a low-buff build.
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  5. #95
    Player Jar's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raelia View Post
    I already said it wouldn't hold up to Empyrean and heavy Crit jobs.

    You also skipped Endark pushing the per-hit damage over 250 or so, so 500+ damage a round isn't too shabby.

    WSing so often slows it down though, so it's strictly a low-buff build.
    you can melee during weaponskill animations
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  6. #96
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruentus View Post
    Unfortunately, I'm on Asura.

    I was going to work on a Maleficence +2 for my zerging build. That would probably do until Redemption's done.

    Ancient Beastcoins come from Al'Taieu, right? Is it possible for a DRK/SAM to solo there, or should I find a group?

    I really don't want to pay a million gil for one piece of armor, so I'm probably not going to get a Blitz Ring. Besides, once the Bale Armor +2 set is done, and I have the Ace's/Homam pants and boots, I wouldn't need it.
    True, once you do finish Bale+2, you won't need it, but like I said, it's a good piece to have now until you do, but I don't think anyone's going to kill you if you don't since it's only 1% haste.

    Lets assume you only have the +1 Bales right now. That's 11% Haste, plus the 7% you get from Ace's, then 6% from v-belt. Only got yourself 24%. Blitz would bring you up to 25%. Once you were done with it after upgrading to Bale+2 (which might take a while) then you could sell it back. It's a popular item on the AH. Then get Goading and keep your v-belt for a different job since anything after 26% is wasted. Just don't be fooled into thinking 25% is the true cap. 25% actually calculates out to less than 25. More like 24.56% or so.

    Now, back to the ring issue, again just use what you feel works well for you. If you need more STP, get Hoard Ring. Sure it has -4 STR and DEX but that's not an enormous loss for a 5-hit. I personally use Keen Ring for now until I get something better as I'm still working on my 5-Hit myself. ToAU ring can be a decent placeholder too if you want. Just whatever you can get your hands on.

    As for Ancient Beastcoins, you get them in Limbus. I suggest having a few people come with you. You need a lot of them though, so if you have cash to blow, buy some coins off of bazaars. Otherwise you'll need to find a Limbus group.

    And as far as Maleficence +2, good choice. Which version are you getting?
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  7. #97
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jar View Post
    you can melee during weaponskill animations
    Only because the two second delay involved is shorter than most WS animations.

    Next you'll say JAs don't have a delay, and every THF in the game will pimp slap you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raelia View Post
    The 2-4 variant of Maleficence has some interesting uses, chief among them some mild zerging capacity (still worthwhile despite some mobs being resistant, that just stops you from having twelve DRKs on it). You can also put on Cosmos, Kirin, and a MAB atma and be swinging a 90 damage Endark and 1.5k Infernal Scythes like a madman. It's honestly a bit too fast and quickly runs afoul of WS saturation slowing it down, but it chews up Elementals like nothing else.

    Also, Shinryu is dark resistant, so don't bother brewing him with Infernal Scythe. For most others it's good but you'll want Cosmos and Griffon's Claw as MAB gets capped anyway.
    Duly noted, thanks. I'll have to figure out how to get that third lunar abyssite first, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raelia View Post
    Actually it crushes all but Empyrean/WoE and heavy Crit WS jobs unless you're pushing serious haste and WS saturation becomes a problem. You might be underestimating how stupidly fast it is when the scythe averages two hits a round and you only need four hits to WS (5-hitting).

    1.5k was with Cosmos/Kirin/Ultimate and no Ascetic's. Will hit 2k with Ascetic's Gambir.

    Also throws a good 900 damage Nether Void Drain II.

    For pickup groups, KI/feet farming, and cocking about in low-buff situations: It's perfect.
    Wait, there's a "Magic Attack Bonus" thing on the Maleficence +2? Not when I last looked.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jar View Post
    you can melee during weaponskill animations
    Yes, but it requires very precise timing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kagato View Post
    True, once you do finish Bale+2, you won't need it, but like I said, it's a good piece to have now until you do, but I don't think anyone's going to kill you if you don't since it's only 1% haste.

    Lets assume you only have the +1 Bales right now. That's 11% Haste, plus the 7% you get from Ace's, then 6% from v-belt. Only got yourself 24%. Blitz would bring you up to 25%. Once you were done with it after upgrading to Bale+2 (which might take a while) then you could sell it back. It's a popular item on the AH. Then get Goading and keep your v-belt for a different job since anything after 26% is wasted. Just don't be fooled into thinking 25% is the true cap. 25% actually calculates out to less than 25. More like 24.56% or so.

    Now, back to the ring issue, again just use what you feel works well for you. If you need more STP, get Hoard Ring. Sure it has -4 STR and DEX but that's not an enormous loss for a 5-hit. I personally use Keen Ring for now until I get something better as I'm still working on my 5-Hit myself. ToAU ring can be a decent placeholder too if you want. Just whatever you can get your hands on.

    As for Ancient Beastcoins, you get them in Limbus. I suggest having a few people come with you. You need a lot of them though, so if you have cash to blow, buy some coins off of bazaars. Otherwise you'll need to find a Limbus group.

    And as far as Maleficence +2, good choice. Which version are you getting?
    I was already planning on the "Occasionally attacks 2-4 times" one, and then I noticed Raelia mention it, and I was like, "I'M DOING SOMETHING RIGHT! HECK YEAH!!"

    But I really don't have the gil for a Blitz Ring. I guess I'll just wait on that until I beat the storylines and such.
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  9. #99
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruentus View Post
    I was already planning on the "Occasionally attacks 2-4 times" one, and then I noticed Raelia mention it, and I was like, "I'M DOING SOMETHING RIGHT! HECK YEAH!!"
    Maybe not 'doing it right', but perhaps doing something feasible in Abyssea if you can get Atma of the Cosmos from Iratham and any MAB atma at least. Atma of the Banisher from finishing CoP is okay too but not nearly as strong as Cosmos and Atma of the Kirin (from killing Kirin, obv.) is nice for the INT and Magic accuracy. There's no MAB on Mal +2 though, that's all from Atma and Gear.

    If you haven't got your third Lunar:
    Cosmos+Banisher will push you well into 90/hit Endark with full skill, which adds up to a lot of damage.
    Cosmos+Baying Moon, Beyond, or Ultimate is probably a better mix.
    Cosmos+Kirin is probably the most reliable, since everything will stick and it still helps your Infernal Scythe damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raelia View Post
    Maybe not 'doing it right', but perhaps doing something feasible in Abyssea if you can get Atma of the Cosmos from Iratham and any MAB atma at least. Atma of the Banisher from finishing CoP is okay too but not nearly as strong as Cosmos and Atma of the Kirin (from killing Kirin, obv.) is nice for the INT and Magic accuracy. There's no MAB on Mal +2 though, that's all from Atma and Gear.

    If you haven't got your third Lunar:
    Cosmos+Banisher will push you well into 90/hit Endark with full skill, which adds up to a lot of damage.
    Cosmos+Baying Moon, Beyond, or Ultimate is probably a better mix.
    Cosmos+Kirin is probably the most reliable, since everything will stick and it still helps your Infernal Scythe damage.
    Kirin? What is that, some kind of snail?

    Ha ha, I'm joking. But yeah, that seems worth looking into. I'm already really close to finishing Chains of Promathia, but no one will help me with the damn escort mission in the Grand Palace.
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