just kind of wondering what ppl are useing these days. most my drk gear is "AH" gear as i have 12 jobs i beat maat on so my gear if set for muti job use.
just kind of wondering what ppl are useing these days. most my drk gear is "AH" gear as i have 12 jobs i beat maat on so my gear if set for muti job use.
i'm currently using full perle while working on af3+2 and getting my hands on twilight head+body+scythe.
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Currently, the best armor setup for a DRK is AF3+2 Head, body and hands with Ace's pants and feet to TP in. Twilight Head and Body for WS use.
Everything after that is just the best haste and ATK or Store TP items you can get for TP-gain and the best ATK and STR items you can get for WS.
ACC no longer matters.
How do you figure accuracy not mattering anymore? Atma? I'm sure you know that only works in Abyssea (yay for stating the obvious). So...
ACE'S HOSE
DEF: 29
Attack+12
Accuracy-10
Haste+4%
ACE'S SABATONS
DEF: 24
Attack+8
Accuracy-4
"Store TP"+5
Haste+3%
HOMAM COSCIALES
DEF: 35
HP+26
MP+26
Accuracy+3
Enhances "Fast Cast" effect
Haste+3%
HOMAM GAMBIERAS
DEF: 16
HP+31
MP+31
Accuracy+6
Ranged Accuracy+6
Haste+3%
Wyvern: HP+50
Either pair, plus a Velocious Belt, Bale Burgeonet +2, Bale Gauntlets +2, and Bale Cuirass +2 grants maximum equipment Haste. It just depends on whether you favor Attack or HP/MP/Accuracy more, I guess.
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Ace's Hose/Sabatons/Dominion Ops leg armor can get up to 4 haste but GL with that, Atheling, some stuff depends on weapon/xhit build... Hoard/Tactical/Attila's/White Tathlum/Rose Strap for instance, Grim Cuirass for PDT set/Potentially some WS sets if nothing better, Twilight once you're that far are options as well. Don't remember everything but that's a few items you should look into.
If you're asking what the best gear is, Penitence +2 is far better than Twilight.
Arguably better than Redemption even, because of the sacrifices you have to make (or perhaps impossibility outside of Abyssea) to 5-hit the 502 delay.
So on the TP side:
Penitence +2, Rose Strap, Fire Bomblet
Bale+2 Head, Bale Choker, Brutal Earring, Abyssal Earring
Bale+2 Body, Bale+2 Hands, Hoard Ring, Rajas ring
Atheling Mantle, Goading Belt, Ace's Hose, Ace's Sabatons
26% Haste.
Clean 5-hit.
Only issue is you have to keep the Store-TP gear on for Quietus.
Hey, I still forget about Tiara. You have me there.
Now let's go back and look at what started your little tirade:
Look at how much shit you have to throw at Redemption to 5-hit it and make it better or at least less arguable?
I admit I only did 5-hit Penitence +2 vs 6-hit Redemption (90), but the difference was negligible and came only down to Aftermath, and how much aftermath you get depends on how much haste you have: More haste = more Aftermath overlap.
In terms of obtainability for a given performance level, Penitence +2 still wins.
So when was the last time you hit capped haste? Be honest. That's the crux of Redemption vs Penitence +2 here.
Its not arguable it IS better.
Also .49% Haste is basically doing nothing at all and is negligible, especially when comparing a 502 Delay to a 528 Delay.
For Example lets say you throw a Sword strap onto your 528 Delay scythe, Sword strap is roughly equal to 3% haste, that 3% difference only brings your scythe down to a 512 Delay, so either way the 502 Delay has quite the advantage in speed vs. your 528 Delay.
The only scythe that could honestly challenge Redemption would be liberator and thats IF you can maintain the Level 3 AM, which isnt likely at all if you arent in a fast pace attacking situation.
You don't, you only have to keep Brutal and Rajas (you would have them on anyways) in your Weaponskill gear for the 5-hit that I gave you for Redemption.
You have to realize also with redemption you are hitting twice as hard with melee swings alone than a regular scythe 40% of the time, Empyrean AM is no joke at all.
I will even go as far as saying that a 5-hit Redemption in a fast high haste situation can and will trump Caladbolg.
Torcleaver is the stronger Weaponskill, but the faster Weaponskill frequency in the end would more than likely trump Caladbolg. I say this comparing the speeds of a 5-hit Apocalypse (513 Delay) to a 6-hit Ragnarok (431 Delay) in a capped haste scenario when I did the math between the two Apocalypse built TP only .3 Seconds faster than Ragnarok.
Redemption with its 502 5-hit Delay would obviously build TP faster than that .3 Second difference, Caladbolgs Delay is 430 very similar to Rag is why I am comparing the two.
Considering ACC is pretty much useless now, I suggest only carrying such things as a backup in case you find yourself actually missing the target somehow, and honestly, if you're missing a lot, you should ignore your STP build and eat some Pizza.
I have my Bomblet and Abyssal on stand-by while I use Aesir Ear Pendant and Bomb Core instead.
Also, in regards to redemption and it's low delay not being able to do an effective 5-HIT, abyssea or not, you don't need to make any major sacrifices in gear to do it.
Rose Strap, Aesir Ear Pendant, Brutal Earring, Hoard Ring, Rajas, Goading Belt and Ace's Sabatons will get you enough STP you need as long as you /SAM and eat Carbonara. And again, this is for OUTSIDE abyssea. Inside, drop the Hoard Ring and use a good Regain atma like VV (which any respectable DRK should be using in the first place).
Penitence +2 only makes it easier due to the delay. Also, +2 is only equal to the level 90 redemption. It will lose it's luster once the level cap raises again while Redemption and Apocalypse continue to hold the candle for the best Scythes to use.
IMO, it's better to just use Twilight Scythe and ignore Hoard Ring from the setup I gave (Losing 4 STP will still net you a perfect 20TP per swing for a 5-hit). It's easier to obtain (At least I thought so) and you can put that ring slot to better use without losing any STR or DEX (and in turn ATK and ACC). This is just my preference since you can do whatever you want to reach 5-hit.
Just go for what is easier to get. If you can get Penitence +2 faster, do that. If you already have a twilight scythe or can get that quickly, do that instead. The difference between them isn't major. Yes, you get Quietus, but lets be honest here. Quietus is just a different-looking Guillotine.
Either way, both Scythes are only just placeholders for Apoc, Redemption, or whatever else is coming in the future.
tl;dr version: You have options. The differences really just boil down to 1 or 2 different gear choices and whether you eat STP food or not.
Last edited by Kagato; 03-22-2011 at 11:47 PM.
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