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    Player Dale's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seillan View Post
    I wasn't going to get into this -- and I'll say right now that I've agreed with quite a few of your posts and views Dale and less so with Afania -- but I'd have to side with Afania on this particular argument. There's a clear distinction between getting help from someone that gains nothing for themselves and are just doing it out of the goodness of their hearts, versus a random group member that is going for the same reward(s) as everyone else. One of them is doing it just to be helpful and thus, it would be outrageously rude to berate them for their choice of playstyle. After all, they don't have to be helping you at all. The other is doing something to better his/her character, along with others there for the same reason, and as such, is expected to contribute to the best of their ability (which partly means not deliberately gimping yourself.)

    Don't get me wrong though, like I've said before, I'm not the type of person who cares that much about efficiency, so if someone was in my group and wanted to use a shield as a warrior, it wouldn't bother me for a second. At the end of the day, it's a game and my time must not be all that valuable to begin with if I'm playing one (heh.) I don't mind an extra 10 or 20 minutes to complete something as long as I'm having fun doing it.

    Also, as far as having an issue with someone about "being annoyed" I'd once again have to side with Afania. It's his/her right to be annoyed about something because ultimately, it's really just an opinion. You can of course choose to think it's stupid to be annoyed by something like that, which is also your right, but you can't really dictate how someone should or shouldn't feel. It's up to the individual to feel however they want. That's life.
    Rather or not there is a distinction between someone helping you selflessly or with the possibility of self-gain was irrelevant to what I was saying. Either you appreciate someone assisting you less-than-perfectly or you view it as them punishing you. That was what the debate was about. How on earth this got side-tracked into a semantics game about what the word help means I will never know.

    In other words: when Afania picks up a stranger from the street to assist her with a raid/grind she considers it as punishment unless they pay as efficiently as possible. That's what I take issue with. Because I think she should appreciate assistance rather it's as efficient as possible or not.

    Secondly, this is a forum where people give their opinions. This isn't congress and I'm not trying to write laws dictating how people behave. People should be able to play this game as they want without having other players get annoyed at them for it. That's how I feel and I'm going to say it. People can either agree with me or not. That's life.
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    Last edited by Dale; 10-24-2014 at 02:16 AM.