So, reforging AF armor requires CoP?

[Arbalest]

Most MMOs don't require you do do level 30 content to get level 99 rewards. It's generally understood that if you want to keep new players - you have to give them the ability to catch up somewhat reasonably. That doesn't usually mean forcing them to ancient, outdated, content.

It's still relevant for story, and the content is easy - a level 99 can breeze through it in a day or two solo, with warp rings, HP warps, and all the other things we have access to these days. Plus, the rings are still incredibly relevant.

You only deem it as irrelevant content because you can't be arsed to sit back and enjoy some story; you treat it like a chore, but I'm sure a lot of new players would actually enjoy the story.

[Olor]

It's still relevant for story, and the content is easy - a level 99 can breeze through it in a day or two solo, with warp rings, HP warps, and all the other things we have access to these days. Plus, the rings are still incredibly relevant.

You only deem it as irrelevant content because you can't be arsed to sit back and enjoy some story; you treat it like a chore, but I'm sure a lot of new players would actually enjoy the story.

Then those players can still play it! You're not addressing my argument at all. Removing the gating does nothing to diminish the story for those who are interested in completing it. It just stops other folks, who aren't interested in running back and forth doing quest scenes, from giving up on the game or getting frustrated. Also it's nonsense to say it can be done in a couple days, and warp ring was just added a couple weeks ago so completely irrelevant at time this thread was made.

Gating 2014 content behind 2004 content is moronic. COP's rewards are the ring, the trusts, and the zone access. If players would rather prioritize other content with more relevant rewards, it should be up to them. No one is asking for the rings to be available through other means, or asking to get the trusts without doing the missions. That, would be unreasonable.

It's not unreasonable at all to ask why I was allowed to upgrade my relic to +2 without doing a lick of COP but then I couldn't reforge it till I spent days and days and days soloing cut scenes and battles that ended after 2 hits.

[Malithar]

Also it's nonsense to say it can be done in a couple days, and warp ring was just added a couple weeks ago so completely irrelevant at time this thread was made.

Gating 2014 content behind 2004 content is moronic. COP's rewards are the ring, the trusts, and the zone access. If players would rather prioritize other content with more relevant rewards, it should be up to them.

Who cares what year the content is from? If anything, that's further testament to the laziness of some when it comes to completing it. The rewards from CoP is incorrect as well, because now there's yet another incentive, the ability to reforge your gear. That's a reward for completing it. That's relevant. If you deem it unworthy, then don't do it, but don't complain that you can't reforge then. As you said, it's up to the player. I'd personally prioritize completing CoP quite high if I was a returning player, and when I returned a lil over two years ago, long before reforged was added, it was near the top of my list.

And the bit about warp rings, really? Substitute 5x warp cudgels or /Blm. Fact is, getting around is incredibly easy now. It still takes time, but that's the point.

[Ultimego]

Well said Malithar, Olor the fact you do not see the reforge as a reward for doing the quests, just baffles me.

[Arbalest]

Well said Malithar, Olor the fact you do not see the reforge as a reward for doing the quests, just baffles me.

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[Olor]

Well said Malithar, Olor the fact you do not see the reforge as a reward for doing the quests, just baffles me.

Please explain the logic of allowing upgrading relic to +2 with no COP progress? Yes currently, the reforge is gated by COP - but there is no logical reason to do it that way if you can do EVERY OTHER part of the reforge process (including getting all the items for it and upgrading relic to +2) except the NPC won't talk to you.

Trusts are one thing, it makes sense to unlock them with the story - but locking 2014 equipment that has NOTHING TO DO with COP behind a decade old mission is moronic.

As I said elsewhere, I can even fathom an argument for the artifact behing locked by COP - but not relic since it is entirely possible to +2 + augment it without doing even 1 single COP mission.

[Rubicant82]

Please explain the logic of allowing upgrading relic to +2 with no COP progress?.

HAD you DONE the missions in the first place you would know that the AF & Relic get sent to the Far East home of ..... Tenzen, by the NPCs to be +1's. And you see that is where this whole thing goes. In order to +1 your AF needed Ancient Beast Coins that come from Limbus plus a rare/ex item (at the time) that only dropped in limbus as well (one from each side). For Relic you needed the -1 armor which came from the CoP Dyna zones. So the tie in you are so desperately looking for is Sagheera. Because you can upgrade the armor from +1 for cheaper then you can nq. That is the tie in. That is the road block. Sagheera must like you, which mean you need to have access to what she wants. ABCs and rare items. Which you only get from the CoP mission line.

[Rubicant82]

and now for the big reveal ...
In the amount of time people have spent arguing over this post and topic, one could have progressed through at least 1/2 the CoP mission line.

[Zarchery]

Please explain the logic of allowing upgrading relic to +2 with no COP progress? Yes currently, the reforge is gated by COP - but there is no logical reason to do it that way if you can do EVERY OTHER part of the reforge process (including getting all the items for it and upgrading relic to +2) except the NPC won't talk to you.

Trusts are one thing, it makes sense to unlock them with the story - but locking 2014 equipment that has NOTHING TO DO with COP behind a decade old mission is moronic.

As I said elsewhere, I can even fathom an argument for the artifact behing locked by COP - but not relic since it is entirely possible to +2 + augment it without doing even 1 single COP mission.

Please explain the logic of Forri-Porri not selling Oatixurs to someone who has not been in a party that defeated Tojil.

And as Rubicant said, Sagheera deals in Al'Taieu related wares and craftsmen from the Far East. She will not establish a relationship with someone who has not reached Al'Taieu, and neither will her associate Monisette, who also deals with craftsmen in the Far East.

[Aeron]

and now for the big reveal ...
In the amount of time people have spent arguing over this post and topic, one could have progressed through at least 1/2 the CoP mission line.

But see that brings up the point that how long is too long to be able to accomplish a certain objective in the game? Do ppl think that this goal is going to get done in a say 2hrs or even 4hrs of game play? It seems to me that there is a big disconnect between the ppl that have cleared this particular objective and ppl that are looking to clear it for the first time. Ppl who cleared it pre adoulin see the difficulty of the task as being significantly reduced and have the ability to reflect on what it used to take to clear. On the other hand new or returning players(my guess is that the majority that see this as a huge hurdle are returning players) see it as a mountainous roadblock in their quest to get caught up as quickly as possible. Imo taking 3 days to clear something that you feel is required for your job isn't something to get all bent out of shape over. I can think of a lot of other requirements just to play certain jobs that take wayyyy longer to complete.