Staff trials

[Effilil]

That is a horribly pathetic and lazy excuse for completely gimping yourself, your damage output, your healing output(as whm), and your buffs across both jobs. For all players out there, don't be this person.

As for the best Idle staff? An Atk/acc crozier is best for damage, and because of /rdm, self refresh and siphons, we can afford to sacrifice some -perp for main slotting attack when kiting. I'd rather put the hours and hours of grinding for the 9 perp magians into getting a crozier, full caller's +2, finishing wotg, and getting gear like serpentes set, and the brygid diaper.


As for the Cost of mythic, going rate on currency across all servers is 3k to 5k, 3k puts it at 90m, and each 1k over per is an additional 30m at final price.

1: I don't gimp myself on any job, I find the best balance for the playstyle I use, and my plastyle is not your playstyle. My whm has gear that increases cure potency, while not diminishing buffs. My smn has actually outdamaged most DDs outside of aby, where I use it most. Just because I choose not to min/max myself doesn't make me lazy or pathetic...it means I put thought into my gameplay and don't try to just max out everything, and thus get pissed off when I get agro and die because the whm can't heal me fast enough (which alot of players have done to me)

2: I didn't say I wasn't going to make att/acc staves later, or that I hadn't made them already...I just like doing quests, and it really is nice to have something else going while I'm out farming high end and high gil items. Also, you forgot how nice convert is on /rdm meaning you can keep an avatar out even longer

3: what makes you think 120 million gil isn't expensive? and did you take ichors into account? as well as all the quests you have have to put time and effort into, redoing all the Assault missions. The actual cost for gaining a mythic isn't just gil, but several months spent grinding it all out. I can do 1 staff in 3-4 days, meaning I can have all the satves in less time than getting Nirvana and taking it through the trials would take.

Don't think I'm saying my style of playing is the right or only way to play...it's MY way of playing
Sometimes I just like to toss on my RSE, summon an avatar and run around while farming ingredints for crafting (yes I do farm on thief, I just like to mix it up once in a while) I also fish on smn, and having an avatar out whle fishing means I
don't lose fishing time having to fight a mob, especially on ferries.
Currency prices have actually risen on my server, as have alex prices because people just don't DO those endgame events anymore. ALex is actually up to 7k+ and dynamis currency is up to 10k for singles.

I may sound defensive, but it really irks me that people seem to think there's only one way to play and anyone who disagrees is wrong. I think, plan and work for what I feel is best for my style of playing, and if that's wrong, I don't want to be right and play a cookie-cutter character.

[Frodnon]

1: I don't gimp myself on any job,

Yes you do. wearing only one set nonstop completely trashes everything summoner. Gearswapping flat out improves every job in the game. It is, literally, exactly as bad as a melee who wears only TP gear when he WSes, or decides he should fulltime STR rings.

2: RDM

i believe the line "and because of /rdm" covers that.

3: price wah-wah

I never said 90m isn't expensive, I only stated the price range of it, which based on server is 90m to 150m. that's for alexandrite only.

[Effilil]

Yes you do. wearing only one set nonstop completely trashes everything summoner. Gearswapping flat out improves every job in the game. It is, literally, exactly as bad as a melee who wears only TP gear when he WSes, or decides he should fulltime STR rings.

I have multiple gear sets for my main jobs, and use them as the situation demands it. I just choose not to swap for every little thing. I also didn't say gear swapping was bad, just that I choose not to do it. The real trick to what I do with gear is I BALANCE it, so I don't NEED to gearswap everything. I also have yet to meet a summoner who swaps more than the staff they use for pets.
Also, your statement does just prove my final point that if I'm not playing YOUR way, I'm playing wrong, which truthfully, will only start a fight that neither side can win, because it comes down simply to "that's your opinion, not mine" and opinions are always very different.

i believe the line "and because of /rdm" covers that.

accepted, but it is still a valid point.

I never said 90m isn't expensive, I only stated the price range of it, which based on server is 90m to 150m. that's for alexandrite only.

the problem there is that my server has fewer people selling alexandrite because fewer people are doing the events that you get it in, so the price has gone up...and the cost in time is still fairly high as opposed to making a few staves through trials, and it's the time factor that really matters, not the gil. There's also the problem of finding interested people to join you. I hate spending more than an hour finding people to do something that takes less time than getting people to go to it...and you end up with the person that quits after 1 death as often as not.....

[Hohenheim]

90-150 mil is cake to get for Nirvana..the hard part is finding the forsaken alexandrite and somehow managing to get the other requirements done if you didn't do them way back then. It's impossible to get 5 other people to einherjar for you to get 100k ichor (plus 180k lamp each time, yay!) and doing up to 100 assaults takes 100 days minimum, then 150k nyzul tokens, so another 80-100 nyzul runs (which can't be done at the same time as assault). Getting the gil to buy alexandrite is so easy in this day and age. I worked on Nirvana, then just stopped and sold all my alexandrite when I got sick of all the other crap about, mainly, einherjar.

[Frodnon]

Repeated Reading comprehension failure about the cost of alexandrite

I never made any comment as to alexandrite being "too cheap" or "too expensive, stop assuming stuff. i stated the given price range, nothing more nothing less.

I have multiple gear sets for my main jobs, and use them as the situation demands it. I just choose not to swap for every little thing. I also didn't say gear swapping was bad, just that I choose not to do it. The real trick to what I do with gear is I BALANCE it, so I don't NEED to gearswap everything. I also have yet to meet a summoner who swaps more than the staff they use for pets.

most summoners don't put effort into gear, most summoners still think errants, moldavite, and MP gear are useful. and most summoners use it as a sideline job to their others, that doesn't make most summoners any better than sub par.

[Effilil]

most summoners don't put effort into gear, most summoners still think errants, moldavite, and MP gear are useful. and most summoners use it as a sideline job to their others, that doesn't make most summoners any better than sub par.[/QUOTE]

that is your opinion about how most smn are....
and honestly, this whole thing comes down to opinion....
we're not the only ones making assumptions here either....

I do see why so many use gear swap and try to min/max everything....I just make the choice to play in a different style than anyone else, and believe it or not, I do make the gear I use work....I just try to balance out what I need with the job I'm playing....and as I said...if you can't play a job well in crap gear, you can't play the job at all

[Frodnon]

I do see why so many use gear swap and try to min/max everything....I just make the choice to play in a different style than anyone else, and believe it or not, I do make the gear I use work....I just try to balance out what I need with the job I'm playing....and as I said...if you can't play a job well in crap gear, you can't play the job at all

Yes, you can play your job in crap gear, but that still makes you crap.

[Effilil]

Yes, you can play your job in crap gear, but that still makes you crap.

so you're saying there's only 1 way to play any job in the game? I think that opinion is wrong...I know samurai who are still crap after 7 years on the job and having the best gear in the game for sam, swap gear included...it's not the gear, it's the player, and I happen to be very good at my jobs ingame, not because of gear, but because of how I use the job

[Frodnon]

so you're saying there's only 1 way to play any job in the game? I think that opinion is wrong...I know samurai who are still crap after 7 years on the job and having the best gear in the game for sam, swap gear included...it's not the gear, it's the player, and I happen to be very good at my jobs ingame, not because of gear, but because of how I use the job

You're still not using proper gear, nor putting effort into properly using it. Congrats, you're still crap. A person with skill and gear is still going to run circles around you.

[Hohenheim]

I never made any comment as to alexandrite being "too cheap" or "too expensive, stop assuming stuff. i stated the given price range, nothing more nothing less.




most summoners don't put effort into gear, most summoners still think errants, moldavite, and MP gear are useful. and most summoners use it as a sideline job to their others, that doesn't make most summoners any better than sub par.

Has nothing to do with price, the whole point is about the other requirements.