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  1. #31
    Player Godofgods's Avatar
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    Saying synergy is great just because you made money off it, is a narrow and selfish view. The implementation of syngery was horribly done, and its undenyable that synergy was pretty much stuck it to everyone that spent such a long time leveling their crafts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godofgods View Post
    Saying synergy is great just because you made money off it, is a narrow and selfish view. The implementation of syngery was horribly done, and its undenyable that synergy was pretty much stuck it to everyone that spent such a long time leveling their crafts.
    That's not true it did not stick it to everyone, it just stuck it to you and people of your ilk. Plus how can you say people who LIKE synergy are selfish? Also btw how is synergy so horribly done? I spend an extraordinary time lvl my crafts and practice crafting for 9 years, and I was rewarded by the synergy system. First off it controls the markets, it takes time to pump out those big ticket items, and it gives crafters greater control over manipulating gear. Secondly it easy to lvl and every cheap too lvl, what you expect to be spoon fed by SE.

    How is synergy horribly done huh? What, is it because you can't make what I make with it or you can't do what I can do with it? I bet you don't know anything about how to use synergy effectively, do you know how to hq? do you know where the good evolith is at? and more importantly I bet you don't ETCH, I willing to bet money you don't etch gear. I might be shooting myself in the foot by telling you this but I bet you didn't even know you can etch a Kaiser Shield and fit it with good evolith. The wealth of information I have you wont find on the wiki or other websites, and knowledge of crafting has always been secretive and master crafters/synergist will never tell their secrets, hidden knowledge or reveal the tricks of the trade. Moreover, don't expect me or other top tier synergist to tell you the multitude of benefits with synergy, because that could create more competition for our market space and that my friend YOU have to earn.

    So as long as you make general statements like "the implementation of synergy was horribly done" without giving specific examples, I can easily assume that you dont know what your doing at the furnace and that sounds like a you problem. Synergy is a great system, and master synergist like myself have done wonders at the furnace for myself and others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cljader1 View Post
    That's not true it did not stick it to everyone, it just stuck it to you and people of your ilk. Plus how can you say people who LIKE synergy are selfish? Also btw how is synergy so horribly done? I spend an extraordinary time lvl my crafts and practice crafting for 9 years, and I was rewarded by the synergy system. First off it controls the markets, it takes time to pump out those big ticket items, and it gives crafters greater control over manipulating gear. Secondly it easy to lvl and every cheap too lvl, what you expect to be spoon fed by SE.

    How is synergy horribly done huh? What, is it because you can't make what I make with it or you can't do what I can do with it? I bet you don't know anything about how to use synergy effectively, do you know how to hq? do you know where the good evolith is at? and more importantly I bet you don't ETCH, I willing to bet money you don't etch gear. I might be shooting myself in the foot by telling you this but I bet you didn't even know you can etch a Kaiser Shield and fit it with good evolith. The wealth of information I have you wont find on the wiki or other websites, and knowledge of crafting has always been secretive and master crafters/synergist will never tell their secrets, hidden knowledge or reveal the tricks of the trade. Moreover, don't expect me or other top tier synergist to tell you the multitude of benefits with synergy, because that could create more competition for our market space and that my friend YOU have to earn.

    So as long as you make general statements like "the implementation of synergy was horribly done" without giving specific examples, I can easily assume that you dont know what your doing at the furnace and that sounds like a you problem. Synergy is a great system, and master synergist like myself have done wonders at the furnace for myself and others.
    You know synergy really does have a natural user. One just exactly of your ilk. Enjoy it. I sure dont. I am happy to let you feed your ego through synergy. Now what I would like is to be able to do my crafting and have it updated with new items that have useful potential. Not all crafters like/enjoy synergy like you do. The game has room for your ilk and my ilk and a bunch more ilks, all with good potential for fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by annewandering View Post
    You know synergy really does have a natural user. One just exactly of your ilk. Enjoy it. I sure dont. I am happy to let you feed your ego through synergy. Now what I would like is to be able to do my crafting and have it updated with new items that have useful potential. Not all crafters like/enjoy synergy like you do. The game has room for your ilk and my ilk and a bunch more ilks, all with good potential for fun.
    Believe me I understand what your saying but you also have to look at the other side of the coin, there are plenty of us who grinded it out to understand the system. Items via crafting only is always welcome synergist would benefit from that too, but the best items should always be synergy only because those players took there ability and understanding beyond the lvl 100 skill cap.
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    Believe me I understand what your saying but you also have to look at the other side of the coin, there are plenty of us who grinded it out to understand the system. Items via crafting only is always welcome synergist would benefit for that too, but the best items should always be synergy only because those players took there ability and understanding beyond the lvl 100 skill cap
    I don't mind synergy I just don't like it, I understand it very..VERY well mind you >.> plus I'm one of the top crafter in my server(first to make new items , HQ, etc) still, I hate it (inb4, if you hate it then don't do it! )

    Its just after synergizing for so long(e.g. trying to HQ solo), going back to craft something was such a relief! just open crystal slots, put items in, and let my crafting skill/gears/furnitures decide wither I'm lucky or not, so simple so delicate! and surprisingly fast, all of a sudden, the dreadful wait between crafts that I used to hate with a passion became breath of fresh air!

    i didnt spend years lvling my craft inorder to have to find someone else to help make something
    umm..synergy didn't change that to some extent, before synergy you still had to find a crafter for the one you didn't max.
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    There is no reason synergy should be the one to make all the best stuff. We worked hard for our crafts in time, gil and dedication. We arent denying you did as well. Syngergy isnt the god of crafting and shouldnt be. It is just another craft.
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    Aside from the arrogance of one poster I think we can all agree that synergy is rather dull and unenjoyable...
    Personally, I leveled CC to 100 and enjoyed every year of it, despite a few depressing bouts of bankruptcy and just plain bad luck... It took years and I was incredibly proud of myself when I got that last point of skill up... CC, unlike WW, has literally no profitable synths other than ninja tools and a couple of blessed pieces these days... You can save up and make the blessed pieces, but the next trick is finding someone to buy it because after spending 200k putting it up on the AH over and over you'll soon realize you may have made a mistake in making it in the first place.
    I've tried leveling synergy; like many here I thought it was an awesome idea being able to combine crafts, but never did I imagine they would make a maze of laggy menus to navigate through frantically as a means of using such a system. That, my arrogant friend, is what I believe the others to mean when they say it was poorly implemented...
    You act like it's so difficult and rewarding to learn... it's not difficult at all... Any mage could quickly figure out the elemental balances of the furnaces and how adding one element effects the others... And it really doesn't take a genius to figure out that perfectly balancing them will yield an HQ result... Oooooh, Ahhhh~ So incredibly difficult and tedious...
    The fact of the matter is that the system is laggy and frustrating and literally sucks the fun right out of crafting, the only reason you enjoy it is because of the obscene profits you receive from literally monopolizing the AH...
    I suppose I could be wrong but I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume that it was not SE's intention to completely alienate 99% of Vana's crafters... I know far too many good friends and fellow crafters that have quit the game out of disgust by this very feature and if SE is smart at all and cares about keeping this game afloat they need to do something very quickly to resuscitate the remaining crafting community...
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    Hmmm... I like synergy. I think menu-insert item-hope for the best, was kinda boring. It put me to sleep QUICK. I enjoyed the multiple menus in synergy. Granted you don't need to use any in actual skilling up, I like using them in actual synths. Didn't the rise in rare/ex gear kill crafting? If I hadn't leveled synergy and wanted to make my own things now, I wouldn't bother with seeking other crafts to make ingredients for me.
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    I agree with #1. It's very frustrating new items like ammunition is all Synergy

    The concept for Synergy seemed nice and the idea is good, but the way it was implemented... I hate going through slow, tedious menus to do anything, and being interrupted all the time...

    Besides the system itself, the way new recipes are implemented with a clear strong push to Synergy, is completely unbalanced and unfair to crafters who have spent years investing in their skill, only to see it become useless. I understand they were trying to make Synergy apealing, but why not do it while leaving a chance for normal crafting?

    The way recipes have been these past few updates, feels like Square Enix completely abandoned crafters. I wish they would have thought about how to keep old crafts profitable, when they implemented Synergy and the Trials, etc. The game is completely unbalanced on that level, now...

    Some other people may enjoy synergy, but myself I didn't.

    Please Square Enix, do something to give the crafters back some of their worth!
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    The idea of synergy is fine, the people complaining against this want everything to be easy.

    The real problem with synergy is the way it's done.
    It's a pain.
    The NPC interface is one of FFXI's WORST features.
    If they could have somehow turned this into something using the same menu you use for battles, this would have been much better. [Instead of Attack, Magic, Abilities, etc, you'd have Feed Fewell, Thwack, etc.]

    Other than the crap interface, Synergy was a great idea.
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