This thread AGAIN, please, fix WK.

[Daemon]

You know when they added Dynamis currency to the Penguin Ring event? Or when they added it to Campaign battle? Or when they added it to Meebles? I think that killed the game for me.

Like adding beastly shank to Login campaign now brought the value down and those who farmed these items to earn a quick mil have no need to do BCNM anymore? Now have to compete with everyone to sell it for cheap gil?

Change has its bad effects for the price of convenience.

[detlef]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure cheap beastly shanks ruined the game. Doing KS99 was such a reliable way to make money since it's impossible to get Kindred's Seals anymore.

[Daemon]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure cheap beastly shanks ruined the game. Doing KS99 was such a reliable way to make money since it's impossible to get Kindred's Seals anymore.

Kindred seals were not impossible when everyone converted all other seals into Kindred seals to buy Themesis orbs >.>

[detlef]

And then what happened when people ran out of seals? People don't spend months and months killing mobs that drops KS anymore.

[OmnysValefor]

Couple of things.

On shanks, as I've gone through at least a hundred the last campaign, and still don't have a dring, this is just moving gil around. A month or so after the campaign (the new one), things should be fine.

Another reason shanks are so cheap is because you can't stack them up. Certainly, a lot of players would dedicate mules just to holding shanks, if they could and needing to.

You're worried what this would do the price of airlixirs.. Buddy, it's gonna happen anyway, whether it be from Tojil or WK reives. The price is already crashing and we'll eventually get to 200k +2s. That's just how things happen.

See, bleeding-edge hard cores will pay 10x the price of an NQ for an HQ. The insignifant difference may never be noticeable in a fight, but when this attitude is applied across all your gear, and across multiple/all people in your linkshell, that's part of how game-first wins and server-first wins happen. At that point, you have access to start selling airlixirs readily (in this case), and you get to recoup some gil. Many LS's also sold wins and recouped gil that way.

Hardcore players (not cutting-edge) have limits on how much they'll spend. They're happy with a Senbaak, and don't desire a +1. Good mid-level players have a smaller limit they'll spend, and they don't care if their performance suffers, they won't go past a certain point.

And it goes on down the line. Even once +2s hit 200k, there will be some people who refuse to buy them. It's all supply and demand, the price will drop as the average audience buying them becomes more and more casual, along with more and more people having access to sell them en-masse.

[Daemon]

And then what happened when people ran out of seals? People don't spend months and months killing mobs that drops KS anymore.

I got seals everywhere. From farming dark rings, to exp parties in abbyssea, especially while doing Magian trials. Farming boss Kis from Abby. Playing bosses in Abby. It's really not that hard. Most of my kindred seals were obtained from converting kindred Crests.

[detlef]

So you think the best use of your seals is to convert them to KS and then do KS99 to sell Beastly Shanks?

[Daemon]

Another reason shanks are so cheap is because you can't stack them up. Certainly, a lot of players would dedicate mules just to holding shanks, if they could and needing to.

Because you can't stack them is not really the reason why they are cheap. That was the reason they were so expensive to begin with because people could only hold/sell one at a time which makes it more time consuming.

They are cheap now because thousands of players can buy them, sell it. So it's not rare anymore and as items become more common, they become less valuable.

You're worried what this would do the price of airlixirs.. Buddy, it's gonna happen anyway, whether it be from Tojil or WK reives. The price is already crashing and we'll eventually get to 200k +2s. That's just how things happen.

Of course price will go down, but as less people need these, less people sell them which brings the price back up once its not available. But that will never happen if people have endless amounts of plasm to keep flooding the AH.

And speeding up the Delve process will only make everyone play the game faster. Unless DEVs adjust the cost of Delve gear and the amount of Airelixers to upgrade ranks. This isn't the same as Auction house where we can fluctuate the prices of items based on supply and demand and how much currency is available to the economy as a whole. In this case the difference is that Rare/EX is a one way path vs someone who pays for an item and decides to resell it later only to rebuy that gear all over again.

I only see people competing to sell Airelixers the same as BLM scrolls like Comet.

[detlef]

Because you can't stack them is not really the reason why they are cheap. That was the reason they were so expensive to begin with because people could only hold/sell one at a time which makes it more time consuming.

Actually the shanks being unstackable and undeliverable is a huge factor. If I log in everyday I would have enough for 4 shanks. If I can only hold one at a time, I have to sell it as quickly as possible so because I have 3 more to move. If I could hold all 4 at a time or store them in my dbox, I would be far less pressed to sell.

[Daemon]

Actually the shanks being unstackable and undeliverable is a huge factor. If I log in everyday I would have enough for 4 shanks. If I can only hold one at a time, I have to sell it as quickly as possible so because I have 3 more to move. If I could hold all 4 at a time or store them in my dbox, I would be far less pressed to sell.

True but you are still pressing to sell your shanks vs the rest of the people who have them. This still falls under supply and demand.

Imagine us who had to spend time farming 1 shank only to wait for that to sell before we could hunt another one? That was more time consuming then running back to the NPC and getting another than spend 20-40 minutes killing Cheivnik.