This thread AGAIN, please, fix WK.

[Daemon]

You ignored the whole part about obsoleting content quickly and brutally.

What does this have anything to do with me and my responses? I have not touched that topic nor have a ever disagreed with anyone who brought it up.

And if you are talking about Skirmish being killed off quickly when SoA was released? That's a whole other topic. SoA was new I admit. Delve killed it, I admit. But this conversation was already discussed that originally it seems Matsui created a Tier System expecting people to go from Coalition > Skirmish > Delve but the system was flawed and people ended up skipping Skirmish altogether diving straight into Delve.

It's also discussed that Matsui is now trying to fill in the gaps.

The way I see it, he put the base of the house down first and now he's trying to build on top of it. I doubt Matsui is going to kill off another event like WR because that would be wasting time and effort putting it in to begin with.

And I'm sure he is smart enough NOT to make the same mistake twice.

Sure Skirmish was a terrible tragedy but the best thing he can do is adjust it over time. Those who already got Delve weapons have no reason to get a Skirmish true but rather than accept defeat and abandon it, I see he is trying to adjust it for those who can't get a delve weapon. I mean how many DD complain they are not getting invites?

I'm sure this would be easier to obtain than a Mythic, cheaper than getting a Relic, and well much more fun than camping 8 hour NMs in old content for Emp.

Do you understand computer programming? You can't just fix something right on the spot. They have to adjust the files and then implement the changes which we download these files. And this takes a lot of time.

Now add up everything I've been saying.

Give the guy a chance.
They are paying attention.
They read our feedback.
They do try to address everyone but realistically they cannot please everyone.
They cannot afford to lose more players.
It takes time.
Be patient.
Progress can be seen, its not like they aren't doing anything.

As we are in midst of working on the July version update as well as the August version update, I'll need a bit more time before I can tell you new information, but I’ll be doing my best to deliver it to you as it becomes available.

[OmnysValefor]

Give the guy a chance.
They are paying attention.
They read our feedback.
They do try to address everyone but realistically they cannot please everyone.
They cannot afford to lose more players.
It takes time.
Be patient.
Progress can be seen, its not like they aren't doing anything.

Have to stop you on that one, the first 2 are you giving them the benefit of the doubt, but if they tried to reply to everyone, we'd see something by now.

We'd see something actually done about inventory space. Chatoyant Gorget, and porter slips for bayld gear, as well base/fully mezzo'd delve gear are quite easy to implement.

[Daemon]

Have to stop you on that one, the first 2 are you giving them the benefit of the doubt, but if they tried to reply to everyone, we'd see something by now.

We'd see something actually done about inventory space. Chatoyant Gorget, and porter slips for bayld gear, as well base/fully mezzo'd delve gear are quite easy to implement.

This is what Matsui said.

The way everyone thinks is different, and while a universally accepted answer is not very realistic, I will continue to do my best to ensure that I connect my responses to our position and conclusions that can be easily understood.

I dunno I spin in front of 2,000+ people on pride every year. I know I can't please everyone with my music but I try to play what's universally liked by most. Some people love Beyonce, some don't. So my POV is very much the same as the Devs therefore I can relate.

[detlef]

What does this have anything to do with me and my responses? I have not touched that topic nor have a ever disagreed with anyone who brought it up.

And if you are talking about Skirmish being killed off quickly when SoA was released? That's a whole other topic. SoA was new I admit. Delve killed it, I admit. But this conversation was already discussed that originally it seems Matsui created a Tier System expecting people to go from Coalition > Skirmish > Delve but the system was flawed and people ended up skipping Skirmish altogether diving straight into Delve.

When you said this:

Who's to say they won't do the same when they do release the new delve? We may never know until it happens but I highly doubt they would stand there and let WR die out this early in the expansion. It's too big of an event to make it completely useless.

I called you on it. As we have seen with Skirmish, SE can and will obsolete content before you can even blink.

Therefore there is no reason to think that Wildskeeper is somehow exempt. It's logical to think that the drops from Hurkan and Yumcax, while relevant now, will likely be considered trash in the near future.

It's really in your best interest to get in on the fights now if you want to obtain the good drops while they are still relevant. Yes, people will stop coming when they get all the gear they want. But as I've said so many times already, people are going to stop coming anyway when better gear comes out.

SE might as well make it easier for players to get at least some of their desired items before interest wanes. The other alternative that you support is for smaller groups of casual players to tackle Wildskeeper fights at lower colonization rates while more progressive players participate in Delve for better versions of the gear that isn't going to load for you anyway.

[Daemon]

When you said this:

I called you on it. As we have seen with Skirmish, SE can and will obsolete content before you can even blink.

Therefore there is no reason to think that Wildskeeper is somehow exempt. It's logical to think that the drops from Hurkan and Yumcax, while relevant now, will likely be considered trash in the near future.

It's really in your best interest to get in on the fights now if you want to obtain the good drops while they are still relevant. Yes, people will stop coming when they get all the gear they want. But as I've said so many times already, people are going to stop coming anyway when better gear comes out.

SE might as well make it easier for players to get at least some of their desired items before interest wanes. The other alternative that you support is for smaller groups of casual players to tackle Wildskeeper fights at lower colonization rates while more progressive players participate in Delve for better versions of the gear that isn't going to load for you anyway.

Ok but has the NEW delve happened yet? It maybe trash to those who already get drops from Hurkan and Yumcax but my response to you was i doubt it will be useless to those who don't even have it yet and if Matsui designs the tier system requiring people to have this gear to play new delve then I'm sure WR will survive longer than your example of people abandoning it right upon implementing new Delve.

People needed REM for delve and now many require delve weapons to farm plasm.

I seriously wonder how people will be when new Delve is implemented. You want the guy in AF3/NNI/Bayld gear? Or the guy in Nakuul gear?

And if the drop rate is a bad as people say it and takes so much time and effort to get it, then what will happen on the day you can only find 3-4 people with Nakuul gear and struggle to take down the new New Delve bosses?

[OmnysValefor]

This is what Matsui said.

I dunno I spin in front of 2,000+ people on pride every year. I know I can't please everyone with my music but I try to play what's universally liked by most. Some people love Beyonce, some don't. So my POV is very much the same as the Devs therefore I can relate.

But if the crowd's chanting for hip hop, and one guy happens to be close enough asks for adult contemporary, which do you put on? SE would put on A/C.

To be honest, in the scenario, if 10% of the crowd want A/C, would you ever turn on any A/C? Of course you wouldn't.

[Daemon]

But if the crowd's chanting for hip hop, and one guy happens to be close enough asks for adult contemporary, which do you put on? SE would put on A/C.

To be honest, in the scenario, if 10% of the crowd want A/C, would you ever turn on any A/C? Of course you wouldn't.

That example would be like if the crowd is asking to make FFXI more like diablo III and 1 guy in the crowd wants them to make it Tetris when the game is FFXI. Just like if I'm the DJ and my following knows I play EDM/ House and have followed me for many years then I'd stick to what my fanbase knows me for. As for the crowd wanting hip hop I could stop my flow and toss in a couple of tracks and go back to playing for the majority, but for the guy who wants adult contemporary, the only solution is to play a remix

But usually no tells me what to play. I have to play based on research, feedback and what I think the majority will like most.

And for the guy who wants country and opera? You are in a dance club.... Which deserves to be ignored.

[detlef]

Ok but has the NEW delve happened yet? It maybe trash to those who already get drops from Hurkan and Yumcax but my response to you was i doubt it will be useless to those who don't even have it yet and if Matsui designs the tier system requiring people to have this gear to play new delve then I'm sure WR will survive longer than your example of people abandoning it right upon implementing new Delve.

My point is that the number of Wildskeeper participants is going to continue dwindling so you might as well give players more of what they want before you get to a point where there is insufficient player interest to even win the fight.

[FrankReynolds]

I dunno, you must be a glass half full kinda person. When I read that response in the JP thread, it sounded like the player (Quite respectfully and not at all like I am about to phrase it) said:

"WTF ARE YOU DOING? YOU"RE RUINING THE GAME AND EVERYONE IS LEAVING! STOP LISTENING TO YOUR FRIENDS AND LISTEN TO YOUR CUSTOMERS!".


To which Matsui replied:

"oh well... If you don't like it don't play".

Every time he justifies a decision, he uses some outlandish excuse that has nothing to do with making group A or Group B happy. It's just a lucky coincidence if it pleases someone. Like when he said we had to have leveling through gear because the only option was raising the cap and that would mess something up... completely ignoring the merit system and the fact that gear messes up the whole game, not just the way some numbers display.

Then there is the fact that he keeps putting development time into crap like moogle gil storage chests that don't do anything useful while thousands of useful upgrades / fixes go unchecked for years. Would have really been that hard to make my gear all go in there instead?

[Daemon]

My point is that the number of Wildskeeper participants is going to continue dwindling so you might as well give players more of what they want before you get to a point where there is insufficient player interest to even win the fight.

Which would be a quick fix, rather than something over time.

What if the Devs added more Nakuuls? Different drops? Added other things to give people a reason to continue doing WR? Add better loots? More Kis? New spells with new scrolls? New Synthesis Materials?

VW wasn't perfect when it was first implemented and history shows that the Devs did add on top of events to improve them, not totally kill it. Why add Salvage II?

What 3-4 updates ago SE added Devious Die and Liminal Residue sachs to WoE because it took forever to get just 1. They could have left the event the way it was but they did it so people could make WoE weapons faster. They made it easier too so more people could low man play it.

Repeat, why on earth would they spend so much time making the event WR only to watch it die? This is MMORPG in real time. Not like you buy a PS3 game and move on to the next area never to go back to the previous parts of the game ever again...

You do know this is not the first time the Devs implemented an event like WR right?